Jon Johanson stranded in Antartica....

"RR Urban" wrote in message
...

heard from Jarvis that Jon got out of there by getting fuel from
an
English woman

No problem. A girl bailed him out, very graciously. She's a 99.
The
Flyin
Wimmen will come through for you!

Here's the latest on her...and I rather wonder why we don't hear
much
about her
project.


Because shes one of them wimon yokes, not a foolish man child who
didn't plan his fuel properly. While I may give out about his not
sending fuel ahead to ensure his safe return, I would have gone to a
lot of troubble getting somemore.:-)
--
---
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe.
/
don't bother me with insignificiant nonsence such as spelling,
I don't care if it spelt properly
/
Sometimes I fly and sometimes I just dream about it.
:-)



http://www.worldwings.org/


On 18 Dec 2003 05:50:36 -0800, (Snowbird)
wrote:

Then we have a chap who didn't plan ahead and had fuel cached,
and who at some point enroute made a decision to press on
rather than turn back and land somewhere he hadn't made prior
arrangements for fueling. Not willing to make the hard calls,
then expecting others to bail him out from his own failed
planning.

Naturally he must be a hero.

Sydney (Amundsen fan)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Sydney dear,

You and Stella have every right to be super
proud of women aviators, especially in the
wake of this Jon Johanson fiasco.

Too many times, including now...
You gals get the short end of the stick.

May I apologize for the chauvinistic
behavior that might be attributed to me
or my chauvinistic buddies.

Kudos to Polly...
for saving a dumb ass and GA
from further embarassment.


Barnyard BOb --

"Larry Smith" wrote in message ...
"pacplyer" wrote in message
om...
nafod40 wrote



Packie, the operative words are "arctic" and "antarctic." Can't I learn
you nothin?

So far, not a soul has spelled these words correctly.

"Larry Smith" wrote in message ...
"pacplyer" wrote in message
om...
nafod40 wrote



Packie, the operative words are "arctic" and "antarctic." Can't I learn
you nothin?

So far, not a soul has spelled these words correctly.


Hey Latchless,

I is what I is. A glorified truck driver. I spelt it like it sowns.

And here I thought someone was going to attack my rendition of
"bueracrat." Didn't see the geographic ones. By all means Latch,
please continue to correct us. Where else but RAH can you get a
lawyer to spell check you for free? ;-)


pacplyer

(learnt ma spelling reading aviation magazines)

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:23:19 -0600, RR Urban wrote:

Sydney dear,

You and Stella have every right to be super
proud of women aviators, especially in the
wake of this Jon Johanson fiasco.

Too many times, including now...
You gals get the short end of the stick.

May I apologize for the chauvinistic
behavior that might be attributed to me
or my chauvinistic buddies.

Kudos to Polly...
for saving a dumb ass and GA
from further embarassment.

Barnyard BOb --

John Ousterhout replied:

Who are you?

and what have you done with Bob?

Shhhh! Do we really care? :-)

Russell Kent

In article , BWB CIA wrote:

AVweb quotes an EAA staffer in saying that they don't even stock avgas down
there. What's needed is space on a cargo plane for hauling it down there,
and I suspect there's more too it than just throwing some jerry cans on a
pallet.

Even so, it sounds like the NSF is being its old hidebound self. There's a
good book out, written by an ex-Navy pilot who used be one of the Hercules
pilots down the _Flying Upside Down_, by Mark A. Hinebaugh. He really
makes the NSF (the agency in charge of US operations in Antarctica) sound
like a bunch of idiots.

Ron Wanttaja

They are. I worked on this problem with the Governor of Nevada last
week and many retired politicians that I know. They applied a lot of
pressure but really got nowhere. I am out of town right now but I
heard from Jarvis that Jon got out of there by getting fuel from an
English woman on an Around the world flight who was on the continent
at the same time. Anyone know the details?
Bill


Yeah. She did _proper_ "plan ahead", and had _her_own_ fuel at McMurdo.
Had equipment troubles, and had to abort the around-the-world attempt.

See: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8183083%255E1702,00.html (beware possible line-wrap)

(StellaStar) wrote in message ...
heard from Jarvis that Jon got out of there by getting fuel from an
English woman

No problem. A girl bailed him out, very graciously. She's a 99.
The Flyin Wimmen will come through for you!

Here's the latest on her...and I rather wonder why we don't hear much
about her project.
http://www.worldwings.org/

Well, NewsLady, you'd know best but...

....my guess is, *she plans too well*

Good planning and good decision making, don't seem to be news.

Sydney (so when's the next trip?)

Ed Wischmeyer wrote in message ...
entire legions of lawyers waiting to sue the US Government for supplying him
the wrong type of fuel?

As for suing folks, I don't think Jon's that kind of guy. I've met him
several times, and he's got a whole lot of class, something that many
RAHers would do well to emulate.

Ed,

With all respect, if you or I or "The World's Classiest Pilot"
(whoever he or she may be) bites it while flying, whether or not
someone gets sued will have little to do with our class or what
kind of guy we are.

It will have everything to do with factors beyond our control,
mostly our surviving kin and whatever decisions they might make
under the combined influence of grief and legal advice.

FWIW,
Sydney

In article ,
Eric Miller wrote:
"Robert Bonomi" wrote in message
news:a9d88$3fe12310
Available
reportage indicates that 'higher than anticipated/forecast' headwinds were
encountered, and after pressing to a point where it became clear that he
could not complete the original flight, he diverted to a *pre-planned*
emergency abort point. Available evidence indicates he "assumed",
*without*
*confirming*, that persons there "would" provide assistance for him to get
the rest of the way 'back to civilization'.

I dunno... let's look at this emperically...

He diverted to a pre-planned emergency landing site, he obtained fuel, he
continued on his way and completed his journey.

Forgiveness wins out over permission again!

FALSE TO FACT. He got out *only* because somebody (Brit. Polly Vacher)who
_did_ properly plan ahead for a flight through that territory HAD ASKED
PERMISSION, been granted it, and *HAD*THEIR*OWN*EMERGENCY*FUEL*STORED*THERE*.
She encountered weather difficulties, aborted prior to that point, and thus
was able to offer her own private stock of emergency fuel to Johanson.

The fact that she _did_have_ private fuel stored there is absolute proof that
Johanson *could* have done so as well. That fact shoots down any possible
defense of Johanson's actions as regards *competent* contingency planning.

Johanson is enough of a bozo that he _will_not_ "learn from experience", either.
He has publicly stated that on a future attempt he "will _not_ do anything
different". see:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8183083%255E1702,00.html

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:52:46 +0000, Robert Bonomi wrote:

In article , BWB CIA wrote:

AVweb quotes an EAA staffer in saying that they don't even stock avgas
down there. What's needed is space on a cargo plane for hauling it
down there, and I suspect there's more too it than just throwing some
jerry cans on a pallet.

Even so, it sounds like the NSF is being its old hidebound self.
There's a good book out, written by an ex-Navy pilot who used be one of
the Hercules pilots down the _Flying Upside Down_, by Mark A.
Hinebaugh. He really makes the NSF (the agency in charge of US
operations in Antarctica) sound like a bunch of idiots.

Ron Wanttaja

They are. I worked on this problem with the Governor of Nevada last
week and many retired politicians that I know. They applied a lot of
pressure but really got nowhere. I am out of town right now but I heard
from Jarvis that Jon got out of there by getting fuel from an English
woman on an Around the world flight who was on the continent at the same
time. Anyone know the details? Bill


Yeah. She did _proper_ "plan ahead", and had _her_own_ fuel at McMurdo.
Had equipment troubles, and had to abort the around-the-world attempt.

See:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8183083%255E1702,00.html
(beware possible line-wrap)

She, like Jon Johanson, had made sure that fuel was available at all her
planned stops, but she did not make sure that fuel was available at all
possible diversion airfields (the list of planned legs on her web site
shows that McMurdo was a planned fuel stop).

She, like Jon Johanson, ran into higher than expected wind over Antartica,
and had to divert. She, like Jon Johanson, diverted to an airfield that
did not have fuel for her (she went back to her destination, but she had
already used all the fuel in her fuel cache).

Please explain how her planning was any better than Jon Johanson's.

http://www.worldwings.org/route.htm
http://worldwings.mantaur.co.uk/diary.aspx?mode=D&ID=226
http://worldwings.mantaur.co.uk/diary.aspx?mode=D&ID=228
http://worldwings.mantaur.co.uk/diary.aspx?mode=D&ID=230
http://worldwings.mantaur.co.uk/diary.aspx?mode=D&ID=232

--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
e-mail: khorton02(_at_)rogers(_dot_)com

Robert Bonomi wrote:
In article ,
Eric Miller wrote:

"Robert Bonomi" wrote in message
news:a9d88$3fe12310

Available
reportage indicates that 'higher than anticipated/forecast' headwinds were
encountered, and after pressing to a point where it became clear that he
could not complete the original flight, he diverted to a *pre-planned*
emergency abort point. Available evidence indicates he "assumed",

*without*

*confirming*, that persons there "would" provide assistance for him to get
the rest of the way 'back to civilization'.

I dunno... let's look at this emperically...

He diverted to a pre-planned emergency landing site, he obtained fuel, he
continued on his way and completed his journey.

Forgiveness wins out over permission again!


FALSE TO FACT. He got out *only* because somebody (Brit. Polly Vacher)who
_did_ properly plan ahead for a flight through that territory HAD ASKED
PERMISSION, been granted it, and *HAD*THEIR*OWN*EMERGENCY*FUEL*STORED*THERE*.
She encountered weather difficulties, aborted prior to that point, and thus
was able to offer her own private stock of emergency fuel to Johanson.

The fact that she _did_have_ private fuel stored there is absolute proof that
Johanson *could* have done so as well. That fact shoots down any possible
defense of Johanson's actions as regards *competent* contingency planning.

Johanson is enough of a bozo that he _will_not_ "learn from experience", either.
He has publicly stated that on a future attempt he "will _not_ do anything
different". see:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8183083%255E1702,00.html

So what have you done besides write like a moron? That "bozo" as you call him
has done more with his RV-4 than you can ever hope to do with your pitiful life.
People like ought to go crawl in a hole and pull the dirt in. BTW what is it
that you fly and have built with your own hands? Lets hear about your great
accomplishments in aviation.

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:12:54 -0600, Russell Kent
wrote:

Sydney dear,

You and Stella have every right to be super
proud of women aviators, especially in the
wake of this Jon Johanson fiasco.

Too many times, including now...
You gals get the short end of the stick.

May I apologize for the chauvinistic
behavior that might be attributed to me
or my chauvinistic buddies.

Kudos to Polly...
for saving a dumb ass and GA
from further embarassment.

Barnyard BOb --

John Ousterhout replied:

Who are you?

and what have you done with Bob?

Shhhh! Do we really care? :-)

Russell Kent
++++++++++++++++++++

Hey Jaun....
Nothing like having friends.
Know where I can find some? )

Barnyard BOb --