Logging Total Time?

Does anyone know what the rules are around logging total time?

My specific example is a person who flew literally hundreds of hours
before getting a license (no solo privs either). He performed all the
duties of the flight including take-off, cross country navigation,
landing, communications, maneuvers, etc... He was always accompanied
by someone who was acting as pilot in command, but whom never touched
the stick. Is it legal for him to log total time for these flights?
Is there a way to log total time without logging either PIC, SIC, or
Dual Received/Given?

Thanks for any responses to this.

z

You cannot log PIC unless you are rated, receiving dual, or sole manipulator
(solo or with a safety pilot).. and a whole bunch of other reasons.. Total
time can be logged for the "acting PIC", again need to be rated, the safety
pilot for his buddy under the IFR hood, etc.

actually.. this guy in your example can log anything he wants.. it's his log
book, the question is.. will the huge total time hours before he actually
logs any dual received or solo time count towards anything as far as
additional ratings...??? NO

but if he wants to log total time in the air... even as a pax.. that's his
log book..

BT

"zatatime" wrote in message
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Does anyone know what the rules are around logging total time?

My specific example is a person who flew literally hundreds of hours
before getting a license (no solo privs either). He performed all the
duties of the flight including take-off, cross country navigation,
landing, communications, maneuvers, etc... He was always accompanied
by someone who was acting as pilot in command, but whom never touched
the stick. Is it legal for him to log total time for these flights?
Is there a way to log total time without logging either PIC, SIC, or
Dual Received/Given?

Thanks for any responses to this.

z

rules are around logging total time

The FAA has not defined "Total Time", so there are no rules about it.

BTIZ wrote:
You cannot log PIC unless you are rated, receiving dual, or sole
manipulator
(solo or with a safety pilot).. and a whole bunch of other reasons.. Total
time can be logged for the "acting PIC", again need to be rated, the
safety
pilot for his buddy under the IFR hood, etc.

"Receiving dual" has nothing to do with logging PIC. If you believe it
does, please quote the FAR.

Hilton

Greg Esres wrote:

rules are around logging total time

The FAA has not defined "Total Time", so there are no rules about it.

.... except for the rules of arithmetic, a total being the sum of the
various categorized flight times.

As far as logging time in the OP's case, dual would come closest, but
then the person giving instruction and the circumstances would have to
qualify.

- FChE

There are no regs for logging total time, only logging PIC.

Helen

Ther are no rules for logging Total time, only PIC and SIC.

Helen

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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rules are around logging total time

The FAA has not defined "Total Time", so there are no rules about it.

True, but 61.1b12 does define "pilot time" as the total of various types of
time. And the aeronautical experience sections of part 61 refer to "total
time as a pilot", which presumably is synonymous with "pilot time".

--Gary

i suppose the real issue would be how you intend to use that tabulation
of "total hours".

near as i can tell, it wouldn't qualify for anything as far as ratings
or insurance and trying to use it as such could be really bad.
dan

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 03:11:03 GMT, zatatime wrote:

Does anyone know what the rules are around logging total time?

My specific example is a person who flew literally hundreds of hours
before getting a license (no solo privs either). He performed all the
duties of the flight including take-off, cross country navigation,
landing, communications, maneuvers, etc... He was always accompanied
by someone who was acting as pilot in command, but whom never touched
the stick. Is it legal for him to log total time for these flights?
Is there a way to log total time without logging either PIC, SIC, or
Dual Received/Given?

Unless the PIC was a CFI and these are logged as training flights -
they cannot be logged.

-Nathan