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Jack,
Why don't you guys go fly a Mooney and see what you think. It sounds like it fits your mission profile and it would give you a bunch more airplanes to look at? Just my prejudiced opinion. :-) Jon Kraus PP-ASEL-IA '79 Mooney 201 Jack Allison wrote: We got closer this time. We actually had our verbal offer accepted. That's progress (for this, the 2nd offer we've made on an Arrow). Things were going well into the weekend. I'd tweaked the prepurchase agreement from the seller, made plane reservations to fly out and see/fly/touch/smell the plane, setup the pre-buy inspection, provided a preliminary timeline to the seller...phew, lots of work. Sunday evening, I sent the modified prepurchase agreement to the seller along with a proposed timeline for the pre-buy. Monday evening...wham, the seller suddenly decides things are out of hand. I get a left hook to the chin e-mail, completely out of the blue with all sorts of concerns and a final suggestion that maybe it's better if everyone walks away from the deal. Whaaaaa...huh???? Houston, we have a problem. I called my partners and their opinion is pretty much "fine, we keep looking"...but...I'm not ready to walk just yet. I checked into the possibility of moving the pre-buy up a day and/or my travel out a day in order to make a better overall timeline. It's a no-go on both accounts so the only option is to stick with the original plans. By this point, I know it's a dead deal. It's just a matter of confirming that fact with the seller. The seller and I finally talk via phone and, as expected, we're done. Oh, he gives me a line "If you can rearrange your travel and the plane is still available, sure, call me back". Ya, whatever. Actually, I'm fine with everything. As many folks have advised me, you've got to be able to walk away if things go south or just don't feel right. Sure, it's frustrating to spend so much time only to walk away in the end but, really, given how things suddenly came unglued on this deal, I'd rather not buy this particular plane. Ah, this airplane buying stuff...it's a hoot! :-) |
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Jim,
If you really wanted to buy an Aztec from Central Texas, I would have sold you mine! Still will. And I promise that you won't find that I'm in trouble with the Feds or anybody connected with a bank. Although my banker would like it better if I sold the Aztec and put the money in his bank :-) Don't both you and your partner each need your own Aztec? :-) Ronnie "Jim Burns" wrote in message ... Either he doesn't want to sell or he got a higher offer since you made yours. This guy just doesn't sound straight up. Along those crooked lines, a quick story about our search... I found an Aztec that sounded perfect for us. It was in Central Texas but being sold by the Bank of Boston, in NY. Called the number for the seller, he could barely speak English and was not interested in talking to me. So I looked up the N number and called the registered owner in Texas. He was "in the shower" for 3 days, but his wife was rather pleasant. I did a net search for other family members and discovered his son was also a pilot, and in the same town. Called his son and he wouldn't talk about the plane, he just referred me to the Bank. So I'm thinking it was repossessed and these guys are broke and ****ed off at the bank. I dug further and found out that the son and father owned a bank themselves in Texas. I did a search on their bank and discovered that they as well as their wives had just been banned by the Feds from working at any bank due to misappropriation of bank funds. Seems they were using bank money to go on vacations allll over the country, then not paying the bank back! What appeared to be a great plane at a fair price quickly turned into a soap opera that we ran, not walked, away from. Jim |
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On 9 Mar 2005 12:20:06 -0800, "
wrote: Recently I've seen a fairly novel approach. Someone who was looking for a good Cherokee 180 got the FAA owners list and sent postcards to the owners. He also requested that if the recipient knew of anyone that had a 180 for sale, to please pass on the contact info. I called the guy because I knew of one for sale in a neighboring state. He'd already found one, but shared his search method with me. To keep costs down, he started off by sending cards to 180 owners in his home state. Next he sent them to owners in states bordering his. The third mailing expanded the search radius by one more state. He got lucky on the third mailing. Interesting technique. I get a lot of similarly worded postcards from brokers though, so I usually just pitch them. |
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Hey Ronnie,
Thanks for the offer, but the one we have has us pretty well occupied. A nice SuperCub or SuperCruiser might raise my interest as a second plane though. Jim |
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Hmmm, this is getting interesting. Nice ideas Jim & John. I'm just now
downloading the database (after finally finding it on the FAA website...took some searching). If anyone is interested, the database is he http://registry.faa.gov/ardata.asp According to Mozilla's download manager, I have to wait another 10 minutes for it to finish. I'm so tired of looking at TAP, ASO, Controller, etc. A little data mangling exercise seems like a nice diversion. Many thanks and I'll keep you guys posted. -- Jack Allison PP-ASEL-IA Student-Arrow Buying Student "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return" - Leonardo Da Vinci (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail) |
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Ron Natalie wrote:
Yeah, but better than going out there and deciding the plane isn't worth buying. I burned up one set of airline tickets heading out to Kalamazoo to look at a plane. Had to use a second set to go to Wisconsin to look at the one we bought. That's pretty much what I figure too Ron. It cost us an extra $100 to use the tickets I have and I've tied up a couple hundred bucks in pre-buying my next flight. Could be much worse. -- Jack Allison PP-ASEL-IA Student-Arrow Buying Student "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return" - Leonardo Da Vinci (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail) |
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Sure Jon, bring your Mooney out to the left coast for a little demo
flight. Just think, you could get a ton of x-c flying in, enjoy our nice weather, get some great mountain flying experience, etc. Hey, works for me! :-) Seriously though, we've toyed with looking at a few other planes but not really seriously. For me, it's just easier to focus on a particular plane. Did that when I was hunting down Cardinals and am doing the same now with Arrows. Doesn't mean we won't explore other options though. -- Jack Allison PP-ASEL-IA Student-Arrow Buying Student "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return" - Leonardo Da Vinci (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail) |
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Nathan Young wrote: Interesting technique. I get a lot of similarly worded postcards from brokers though, so I usually just pitch them. So do I. The individual who sent the postcards must have realized this too. In bold letters on the top of the card it said, "I am not a Broker!". Then it went on to explain that he was an individual buyer looking for a good airplane. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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I burned through several looking at Aeronca Champs. I finally decided
that there no longer exists any that meet the FAA's definition of airworthy (AD's). There are plenty. They cost $25K-$35K. Michael |
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Rather than buying an Arrow, perhaps you'd want to look at a Mooney.
I've had both and like the Mooney better hands down. The Mooney has a MUCH simpler gear system with less headaches. The cabin width is the same. The cabin length is the same (both Mooney and Piper added an extra 10 inches in the late 60's early 70's). If you compare Arrows to Mooneys of the same year, the only difference is the Mooney is going 15 knots faster and can fly higher. You're flying behind the same O-360 or IO-360 engine, same prop etc. The Mooney has a stronger airframe but still usually gives you around 1000 lbs of useful load (don't talk about full fuel, its not Mooney's fault that they can carry extra fuel). All the silly stories you hear about the Mooney turn out to be false. They are not harder to fly. They are *NOT* harder for tall pilots (I'm 6'4" and actually think I have more leg room in the Mooney). The back seat size is 100% the same (comparing same years). I've had 4 large guys in my plane, and even sat in the back and its doable (although tight). All in all the Mooney is just a bit better, kinda like a Cherokee is a bit better than a 172. The Mooney can come down the ILS at 737 speeds when necessary for busy airports too (I actually had to slow for one once!!). -Robert, CFI |
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