Airbus A 380 is rolling

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Likewise. It is unfortunate that Boeing has suffered under some pretty
poor management for the last decade or two. If they'd have spent as
much time on airplane design and marketing as they did trying to get the
government to bail them out against Airbus, I think they'd be much more
competitive now.




It is indeed hard to avoid the supposition that Boeing is badly mismanaged in
recent years. The huge rift between the EURO and the dollar should translate
to approximately a 30% pricing advantage for Boeing - a theoretically
insurmountable advantage - yet they have been unable to leverage the advantge,
and have seen market share slipping to Airbus every year.

Meanwhile, faced with the public image momentum of the A380, they have
announced plans to discontinue the 747, and have released, then backed away
from, a number of different options to face-off the competition. To the public
view, Airbus is moving forward, unstoppable like a tank, while Boeing is
flip-flopping like a fish out of water.

G Faris

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Martin,

hopefully they'll have a save first flight soon.



Official date is Friday.
Chances are they'll try to maintain it.

G Faris

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:49:12 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote:

It's a war between the two giant, state-supported airliner mfrs. The
winner will dominate the business and the loser's country will suffer
economically.

But not nearly as much as we will all suffer if there IS a loser.

The present situation suits me just fine, thanks. See saw, Margery
Daw. Keeps the prices down, the executives sweating, and the trade
negotiators' blood pressure up against the stops. And if the European
and Wichita taxpayers want to subsidize my flying, that's a bonus.

Looks like Boeing will ace out Airbus in sales this year.


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Perhaps the competition can enthuse Boeing
to create a new, even more spectacular jet, and the games goes into
another round.

It already has: the 787.


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Morgans wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote

The dreamliner looks pretty cool to me. And the way

fuel costs are going, the smaller more efficient machine may just be the
way of the future.


Assuming all the seats are full, (which they usually are full, or almost
full) on the long haul routes, the larger the more efficient.

Larger isn't always more efficient. Yes, you need high seat density for
efficiency on a per seat basis no matter what size the airplane.

Matt

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 07:59:44 +0000 (UTC), (G Farris)
wrote:

The huge rift between the EURO and the dollar should translate
to approximately a 30% pricing advantage for Boeing - a theoretically

Not so. Airbus hedged the dollar for several years out. Not until
those hedges are exhausted will Boeing see any advantage.

insurmountable advantage - yet they have been unable to leverage the advantge,
and have seen market share slipping to Airbus every year.

Again, not so. Boeing may well be the market leader this year, on the
strength of the 787.



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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:08:13 +0200, Stefan
wrote:

Taking a closer look it
turned out that by buying the German Mercedes they would create *more*
work in Switzerland, because the German Mercedes had much more Swiss
built parts than the Swiss Saurer...

And perhaps they broke down more often?

It has often struck me that the jobs lost to the American economy
through the Honda Accord are all maintenance jobs, since the Accord is
built in the U.S. and never breaks down.


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On 17 Apr 2005 17:08:04 -0700, wrote:

Some years ago I happened to pass by Travis AFB, CA in a 152. There
were a few C5 Galaxies in the pattern - doing touch and go's.
Impressive, even from a distance. It was a rather large pattern.

I once watched a C-5 searching for bodies after a boating accident on
Great Bay. (It happened to be arriving at Pease air base just after
some racing shells discovered that they couldn't handle waves.) It was
SO BIG that it appeared to be motionless in the air: the eye simply
assumed that everything was happening nearby and in slow motion.


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Boeing may well be the market leader this year, on the
strength of the 787.



I find this very tenuous.
If Boeing does manage to slow the hemmorrage of market share this year, it
will be thanks to a traditional agreement with the Japanese, and not to any
purported strengths of a plane that does not exist, and that no one knows much
about, except that it has wavy lines on the floor instead of straight ones.
(Are these supposed to help drunken passengers navigate, or are they a
metaphor for Boeing's own management strategy?).

They year is young yet. Airbus is about to proceed with the most spectacular
rollout since the 747 - and I have not seen any billboards saying, "Would the
last one to leave Toulouse please turn out the lights . . ." The prestige and
media coverage of the event can only enhance their posture (unless of course
the rollout ends the way the initial A320 demonstration did)!

And Boeing, in their wavering wisdom, have chosen this moment to announce the
end of the 747 program. What stupidity! Not to end it, I mean - but to
announce it now - to say to all the asian carriers who use almost exclusively
jumbos "YES, we have NO ANSWER to Airbus's A380!" They have thus spent time
and money gold-plating the silver platter on which they deliver this lucrative
market to their competitor.

I'm American, and I would love to see Boeing at least maintain parity with
Airbus in deliveries, as well as maintaining their stature as a technological
flagship of American industry. Byt then, I went to University of Minnesota,
and I quickly learned the futility of rooting for any of their teams!

G Faris

"Thomas Borchert" wrote:
Yes. My airport, Mobile Downtown, is in the running.


So what on earth are you complaining about in your "war" comments?
You'd rather want Airbus to take your view and move to some other
place? Jeeze...

Well, no. If the 380 succeeds (which is starting to seem likely), of course
I'd like my local economy to benefit. Taking the larger view, though, I
would regard the success of the 380 as a very ominous sign for Boeing, and
thus for the U. S. manufacturing economy in general.
--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM