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"Out of fuel, out of hope: 'Help, I'm in the water'"



 
 
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Old April 29th 05, 05:01 AM
Dave Stadt
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"Paul kgyy" wrote in message
oups.com...
The water temperature in Lake Michigan is still in the 40s. Lights,
flotation gear, all useless except to help them find your frozen body
unless your flotation device is a raft with a cover.


Plus we have had high winds in the area since last weekend. The lake is a
turmoil as a result.



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Old April 29th 05, 05:03 AM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Chris" wrote in message
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And maybe it was the fact that he was only 20 years old.


Are you saying 20 year olds are stupid?


A flight instructor with whom I spoke about this accident claims he saw a
Discovery Channel documentary that discussed a theory that the
risk-assessment part of the human brain is not fully developed until about
25 years of age. For what that's worth...

The age of the average participant in the various X-Games sporting events
seems to support this theory.

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Old April 29th 05, 08:07 AM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Chris" wrote in message
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And maybe it was the fact that he was only 20 years old.


Are you saying 20 year olds are stupid?


Less experienced. A 43 year old pilot with 3 years time as a pilot might
behave differently than a 20 year old. perhaps more assertive, able and
PREPARED to 'fess up to a problem.

The thing is that it is easy to generalise. From the various bits I have
read, this young man seemed a nice boy and looked to want to please people.

Maybe that attitude (desperately desired in many young people today) made
him call for help too late.

Its all speculation, the poor planning was one issue, poor execution of his
way out of the problem was the other.


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Old April 29th 05, 12:08 PM
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So his DE was to blame for granting him an airman certificate?


How did you make that leap?


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Old April 29th 05, 12:13 PM
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"Chris" wrote in message
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Its all speculation, the poor planning was one issue, poor execution of
his way out of the problem was the other.


Poor planning is a certainty, there was no proper execution out of this
problem.


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Old April 29th 05, 01:00 PM
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I wonder what would have happened if he would have called 30 minutes
before running out of gas and had the Coast Guard giving him "Flight
Following" Maybe they could have got there before the plane sank. I
don't even know if that was a possibility. Just a thought.

Jon Kraus
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message
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Its all speculation, the poor planning was one issue, poor execution of
his way out of the problem was the other.



Poor planning is a certainty, there was no proper execution out of this
problem.



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Old April 29th 05, 01:04 PM
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Jon Kraus wrote:

I wonder what would have happened if he would have called 30 minutes
before running out of gas and had the Coast Guard giving him "Flight
Following"


That would assume he *knew* he had only 30 minutes of fuel left.

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Old April 29th 05, 01:42 PM
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Chris" wrote:

Its all speculation, the poor planning was one issue, poor execution of
his way out of the problem was the other.


Poor planning is a certainty, there was no proper execution out of this
problem.


Given the time of the accident (close to midnight) I'm curious about
where he might have dropped in for fuel along the way at that time of
night. He was visiting near Syracuse, NY, and it looks like about 575
nmi to Watertown, WI, which is near the maximum range of a Piper Archer,
obviously depending on configuration.

Is this perhaps simply a case of get-home-itis, and he pushed things too
far in trying to make his destination non-stop that evening?
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Old April 29th 05, 02:00 PM
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"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
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I wonder what would have happened if he would have called 30 minutes
before running out of gas and had the Coast Guard giving him "Flight
Following" Maybe they could have got there before the plane sank. I don't
even know if that was a possibility. Just a thought.


I don't know what his route was, but thirty minutes earlier he was probably
over land east of the lake.


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Old April 29th 05, 02:10 PM
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Jon Kraus wrote:
I wonder what would have happened if he would have called 30 minutes
before running out of gas and had the Coast Guard giving him "Flight
Following" Maybe they could have got there before the plane sank. I
don't even know if that was a possibility. Just a thought.


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Call FSS every 10 minutes and report as necessary (High and Dry, or Mayday!)
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