Al Gore's Private Jet

"ManhattanMan" wrote in message
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kontiki wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote:
It demonstrates what losers this country has for leaders.

Now THAT I will 100% agree with, all other arguments in this thread
aside!!!

While I agree with both of you, you should take a look at the rest of the
world.

Losers? Understatement of the millenium.

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:30:20 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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"kontiki" wrote in message
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It demonstrates what losers this country has for leaders.


Which demonstrates that a majority of voters prefer losers as leaders.


Actually, it demonstrates that the majority of voters are easily
fooled, and a significant number of voters have a vested interest in
seeing that their leaders advance their personal interests at the
expense of the good of the nation, IMO.

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:48:51 -0500, 601XL Builder
wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in
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Why the hell does anyone thing it should
become static now that we are here?

Perhaps the issue is more about mediating that change so that its
destructive potential is mitigated.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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It's good to see that we agree on the fundamental premise. Of course
the human-cause aspect of the issue is only inferred, so it is subject
to interpretation.

Despite that, it seems only prudent to do what we can to retard the
rate of climate change for our own good. And in the process, if we
are able to reduce our dependence on oil and advance the trend toward
renewable energy, which is inevitable, we advance technological
development in a healthier direction, in my opinion.


Why does that seem prudent to you? How do you know we wouldn't be better
off if temperatures were a bit warmer?

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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It thought it was impossible to prove a negative.


Likewise.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Apr 6, 3:38 am, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:57:54 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
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Larry Dighera wrote:

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:05:24 -0700, "Aluckyguess" wrote
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The whole global warming thing in my opinion is a hoax.

You need to inform yourself. Have you seen Gore's movie yet?

I have seen parts of it. He reminds me of those "infomercial" guys on
late-night TV pitching slicer/dicers.

Be that as it may, it is difficult to refute the fact that the climate
is warming when faced with overwhelming facts that support that
contention. I don't believe anyone is able to refute that.

Yes the climate is warming, but what do we have to do with it? How are
we suppose to change the cycles of temps, and who are we to tell the
planet to maintain an constant temp? BTW: Are we talking about the
global warming on Earth or Mars at the moment?

As one wise sage said several years ago, "If it wasn't for Global warming,
we'd never have gotten out of the Ice Ages!"

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Perhaps the issue is more about mediating that change so that its
destructive potential is mitigated.


Why do you assume that change will have a net destructive effect?

The air was too dirty to support them. We solved that problem with better technology, not by returning to a 17th century lifestyle. Modern cities are full of beautiful, flourishing trees. That is the model for solving global warming, too, if it can be solved.

That's part of the rationale for carbon credits. (Again, I'm not
claiming the implementation works, just what the theory is, AFAIK).
Someone flies a relatively clean jet (or fires up a relatively clean
refinery), and pays money to those who have relatively dirty ones. They
the money and use it to clean the dirty ones up.

The idea is that it's less expensive to improve the dirty ones than to
get the same reduction in the ones that are already clean.

Jose
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Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
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"birdog" wrote in message
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It is predicted that by the end of '07, China and India will exceed the US
in carbon emissions. Stupidity is rampant!
The same China that's building something like two coal burning plants (no,
not the modern high-tech ones) each week?

Kind of reminds me of how the environuts viewed the old Soviet Union, even
after we all found what an environmental disaster it was.

On Apr 6, 10:04 am, "Matt Barrow"
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"birdog" wrote in message

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It is predicted that by the end of '07, China and India will exceed the US
in carbon emissions. Stupidity is rampant!

The same China that's building something like two coal burning plants (no,
not the modern high-tech ones) each week?

Kind of reminds me of how the environuts viewed the old Soviet Union, even
after we all found what an environmental disaster it was.

Why do you think that multi-national corporations are outsourcing
manufacturing jobs to China? No EPA, no OSHA, cheaper labor, no big
health care costs, tax avoidance, etc. etc.

Our politicians are hell-bent on destroying our economy by driving
jobs out. If you want to pollute the world even worse send the
manufacturing to China!!!!! There are no restrictions over there!