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Uzytkownik "Andreas Maurer" napisal w wiadomosci
... On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:10:42 -0700, "F.L. Whiteley" wrote: Ah shucks, I was figuring DG would outsource LS-4 production to US. Talking about the LS-4b: It's back in production (by Walter Eisele, a well-known german glider pilot), now called LS-4/2005. Price is 39.400 Euro, complete with retractable gear and water bags. Winglets are optional. Well, if we talk about money... SZD-55, also back in production, but much more modern design than LS-4 (some ten years younger) Price: 34.990 Euro, so the buyer still has 4.500Euro in his pocket, and a more modern glider in the hangar. I would just count if the 'LS' on the side of the cockpit is worth 4.500Euro. The '55' price list: http://www.szd.com.pl/downloads/01-551.html Lots of bang for a buck, isn't it? Regards, -- Janusz Kesik Poland ------------------------------------- See Wroclaw (Breslau) in photography, The XIX Century, the Festung Breslau, and photos taken today. http://www.wroclaw.dolny.slask.pl |
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Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:10:42 -0700, "F.L. Whiteley" wrote: Ah shucks, I was figuring DG would outsource LS-4 production to US. Talking about the LS-4b: It's back in production (by Walter Eisele, a well-known german glider pilot), now called LS-4/2005. Price is 39.400 Euro, complete with retractable gear and water bags. Winglets are optional. Lots of bang for the buck if you ask me. Wow! This is the thing i hoped. Indeed i can only agree with you, this is the best bang for the bug one can find at present. Bye Andreas -- Michel TALON |
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Janusz Kesik wrote:
SZD-55, also back in production, but much more modern design than LS-4 (some ten years younger) Meaning what exactly in terms of L/D, ease of use, build quality etc. Seriously, i have never seen a SZD-55 i have no a priori. Lots of bang for a buck, isn't it? Depends on the answer to the above question. I know for sure the LS4 is an excellent glider. I know nothing about the polish one. -- Michel TALON |
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U¿ytkownik "Michel Talon" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci ... SZD-55, also back in production, but much more modern design than LS-4 (some ten years younger) Meaning what exactly in terms of L/D, ease of use, build quality etc. Seriously, i have never seen a SZD-55 i have no a priori. Lots of bang for a buck, isn't it? Depends on the answer to the above question. I know for sure the LS4 is an excellent glider. I know nothing about the polish one. Yes, I supposed that, and that's why some people may be reluctant to consider this glider. But... it is really worth considering, as all the things you mentioned (L/D, ease of use, build quality) are at least (if not better) equally good. Here are some links on the '55' (including Flight Test Evaluation by Dock Johnson) http://www.piotrp.de/SZYBOWCE/dszd55.htm http://www.ssa.org/Johnson/65-1992-03.pdf http://www.szd.com.pl/downloads/szd55-1_data-.pdf Regards, -- Janusz Kesik Poland ------------------------------------- See Wroclaw (Breslau) in photography, The XIX Century, the Festung Breslau, and photos taken today. http://www.wroclaw.dolny.slask.pl |
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Earlier, "Janusz Kesik" wrote:
So what then? Back to the wood? At least in case of the 'sailplanes for the beginners'? No, probably nothing like that, at least not in the way you'd expect. Oil would probably have to get a lot more expensive before the many more man-hours required for conventional wood construction becomes more economically viable than composites. Bob K. |
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Janusz Kesik wrote:
http://www.ssa.org/Johnson/65-1992-03.pdf Well according to Johnson, the SZD-55-1 seems to be an excellent glider. It has certainly better performance than the LS4, and is very nice looking. The only dubious commentary i have seen is "In my opinion, its stall charcteristics are about equal to those of the Ventus", which may mean that it is more difficult to fly than the LS4. Clearly if gliders of this quality can be built at this price in Poland, this may help solving the lost standing problem of exploding prices in our sport. -- Michel TALON |
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Janusz Kesik wrote:
http://www.ssa.org/Johnson/65-1992-03.pdf Well according to Johnson, the SZD-55-1 seems to be an excellent glider. It has certainly better performance than the LS4, and is very nice looking. The only dubious commentary i have seen is "In my opinion, its stall charcteristics are about equal to those of the Ventus", which may mean that it is more difficult to fly than the LS4. Clearly if gliders of this quality can be built at this price in Poland, this may help solving the long standing problem of exploding prices in our sport. -- Michel TALON |
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"The U.S. has a current account deficit, a budget deficit and a
president who appears unconcerned about dollar weakness," said Shahab Jalinoos, senior currency strategist at ABN AMRO. "No one can see any reason to buy the dollar at the moment." The president cost me nearly $15,000 last year when I purchased my current glider with flip remarks about not caring and then retracting his statements about the dollar's strength. It has become so weak now, that gliders are priced beyond all reason... meaning even though new ones cost more, used gliders are losing value because demand is reduced (psychologically, it's tough to justify six figures for a piece of plastic). Since I don't quite earn 7 figures yet, my tax break in miniscule, and now GWB is spending three-day weekends at Camp David, effectively barring us from our local ridges on NW days. Four more years... sigh! (Mike Stringfellow) wrote in message . com... The US dollar is now valued close to 0.75 Euro, down from its peak of 1.25 a couple of years ago. Analysts say it may go even lower, with some projecting exchange rates of 0.7 (1.4 dollar to the Euro). This has pretty much put the kibosh on my goals of buying a new European sailplane. A model at, say, Euro 85,000 cost around $70,000 a couple of years ago, is now around $110,000 and may soon be at $120,000. Economic models would suggest a strong incentive for sailplane manufacture in North America, but I wonder if the numbers of potential sales would justify this. Any thoughts? |
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http://www.scaled.com/projects/globalflyer.html
Well if anyone out there in ras world is a buddy of Rutan...I suspect he might make some terrific sailplanes if he set his mind to it. For some reason I suspect the very limited market would not be of much interest to him Economic models would suggest a strong incentive for sailplane manufacture in North America, but I wonder if the numbers of potential sales would justify this. Any thoughts? |
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