Crab, slips, and crossed controls

Stefan wrote in
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Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe schrieb:

In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which
is how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.

Yea, but you have to remember which is which in case it comes up on a
test.

Now *this* is a valid argument which I must accept! :-)


You're an idiot.


Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Stefan" wrote in message
.. .
| Robert Moore schrieb:
|
| What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
| is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
| and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
|
| A slip is a slip is a slip.
|
| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
| making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
| that it's to look more impressive to the female students.

Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie Buttlick.



Bwawhahw!

You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?



Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!


Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Stefan" wrote in message
.. .
| Robert Moore schrieb:
|
| What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
| is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
| and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
|
| A slip is a slip is a slip.
|
| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
| making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
| that it's to look more impressive to the female students.

Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie Buttlick.



Bwawhahw!

You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?



Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!


Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Stefan" wrote in message
.. .
| Robert Moore schrieb:
|
| What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control usage
| is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a crosswind,
| and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
|
| A slip is a slip is a slip.
|
| I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art of
| making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the conlusion
| that it's to look more impressive to the female students.

Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie Buttlick.



Bwawhahw!

You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?



Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!


Bertie

On Sep 22, 5:29*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
george wrote in news:7f5d8c7e-2345-427c-bec6-
:

On Sep 23, 8:17 am, John Godwin wrote:

That's incredible. *When I took my CFI Ride, I had to demonstrate a
maximum effort forward slip on final. *Kicked out when I was over the
fence and hit the numbers. *Seems as if your instructor didn't know the
difference between a slip and a skid.

A number of aircraft that I've flown do not have flaps and the
sideslip was an everyday common maneuver .
I found the practice was frowned upon in the modern aircraft as there
were claims that the elevators were shielded and all manner of
problems could develop

Some early big flap cessnas got a little wobbly, but that's all. The Bird
dog gets very funky when slipped with full flaps ~( 60 deg) but mostly it's
just another skill falling into decline because it's "too hard"

Bertie

I'm a student with 70 hrs and my CFI teaches slips to bleed off
altitude, especially for engine failure practice. The only restriction
is not to use full flaps in a 172SP. Apparently it causes too much
vibration.

On Sep 23, 8:12*am, jeremy wrote:
Stefan wrote:
An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane pilot
told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient to
just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have avoided
possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot who who
did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used that
technique.

Probably the easiest alternative to trying to haul the thing around the sky
with degraded controls.

JJ

S-turns are OK if you have the room. If you're in too close
they're useless. I can image the distance needed to S-turn an
airliner...

Dan

" wrote in
:

On Sep 22, 5:29*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
george wrote in news:7f5d8c7e-2345-427c-bec6-
:

On Sep 23, 8:17 am, John Godwin wrote:

That's incredible. *When I took my CFI Ride, I had to demonstrate
a maximum effort forward slip on final. *Kicked out when I was
over th
e
fence and hit the numbers. *Seems as if your instructor didn't
know
the
difference between a slip and a skid.

A number of aircraft that I've flown do not have flaps and the
sideslip was an everyday common maneuver .
I found the practice was frowned upon in the modern aircraft as
there were claims that the elevators were shielded and all manner
of problems could develop

Some early big flap cessnas got a little wobbly, but that's all. The
Bird dog gets very funky when slipped with full flaps ~( 60 deg) but
mostly it
's
just another skill falling into decline because it's "too hard"

Bertie

I'm a student with 70 hrs and my CFI teaches slips to bleed off
altitude, especially for engine failure practice. The only restriction
is not to use full flaps in a 172SP. Apparently it causes too much
vibration.


You're one of the fortunate ones!


Bertie

Stefan wrote in news:752a8$48d89b77$d9a270a8
:

schrieb:

The Air Canada pilot was a sailplane pilot, too, familiar with
slipping, and had operated sailplanes out of Gimli so he knew the
place. If anyone else had been at the controls it might not have
turned out so pretty.

An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane pilot
told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient to
just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have avoided
possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot who who
did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used that
technique.





Bull****.



Bertie

wrote in
:

On Sep 23, 8:12*am, jeremy wrote:
Stefan wrote:
An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane
pilot told me that it would have been much easier and equally
efficient to just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would
also have avoided possible problems driving the air driven
generator. The pilot who who did a glider landing with anairbus on
the Azores in 2001 used that technique.

Probably the easiest alternative to trying to haul the thing around
the s
ky
with degraded controls.

JJ

S-turns are OK if you have the room. If you're in too close
they're useless. I can image the distance needed to S-turn an
airliner...

Xactly.


Bertie

jeremy wrote in
:

Stefan wrote:

An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane pilot
told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient to
just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have
avoided possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot
who who did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used
that technique.


Probably the easiest alternative to trying to haul the thing around
the sky with degraded controls.

the controls aren't degraded at all. Not a lot on the way of spoilers, but
the flight controls work almost exactly the same on the RAT as they do
normally.


Bertie