Russian Military Technology

(robert arndt) wrote
Thanks for amusing us with that cleverly documented joke Alejandro.
Now the facts. No funding, no fuel, no pay for your troops, rotting
rusted navy, non-flying aircraft, electronic obsolescence, reduced to
third place arms exporters, no supersoldier program, no firearms
replacements, no new tanks, aircraft, etc... except a few new subs and
missiles that hopefully won't explode while undergoing sea trials. Add
to this the botched theater rescue, the inability to stop terorist
bombings in Moscow, and the inability to control Chechnya... wow!
Newest thing the Russian Army did for its troops was throw a "beauty
contest" to recruit women! Nice.
Rob

http://www.russianeconomy.org/comments.html

Russia has a flat-tax system of 13%. America has a progresive
(communist) fiscal system.

How is the US Dollar doing ?

1.25 US Dolar = 1.00 Euro

In case, you do not understand, Euro is 25% stronger than US Dollar.

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The Sunday Telegraph (UK)
4 January 2004
Why they're rushing into Russia
By Liam Hannigan
Liam Halligan is Economics Correspondent at Channnel Four News

Had you invested in the Russian stock market at this time last year,
you would be sitting, in dollar terms, on a tidy 50 per cent profit.
But had you sold those same Russian investments back in October, after
10 months rather than 12, you would have made even more, reaping
closer to 70 per cent.

What happened in October was the dramatic arrest, at gunpoint, of
Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Russia's richest man, who was chief executive of
the oil giant Yukos.

One of the controversial "oligarchs" who grabbed immense wealth during
the chaotic and often lawless privatisations of the mid-1990s,
Khodorkovsky had taken to bankrolling parties opposed to the Kremlin
and had therefore become a nuisance to President Putin.

The decision to jail him - on charges of tax evasion - raised eyebrows
among the international investors who dominate Russia's stock market.

For a few weeks shares fell, amid talk of "renationalisation" and a
return to the "bad old days" of post-Communist chaos. But investor
unease is starting to evaporate. Having flinched, the money men are
focusing on Russia's new and coveted "investment grade" credit rating
from Moody's.

No matter that Khodorkovsky will remain in jail at least until late
March (or after the presidential elections that are likely to give
Putin a second term), the Russian market should continue to surge this
year because there are many good reasons to put money into the
economy.

The obvious draw is the booming economy. Having spluttered since the
break-up of the Soviet Union, Russia is getting into gear. The closely
watched Moscow Narodny Bank manufacturing and services indices broke
records last month, pointing to gross domestic product growth of 8 per
cent.

The economic performance has been "awesome", according to the latest
analysis by UBS investment bank. "A conservative fiscal policy, huge
external surpluses and rapidly rising incomes have combined with
higher productivity and tax reform to transform Russia into one of the
most dynamic emerging markets," it says.

Since the 1998 rouble collapse, economic management has improved no
end. Inflation has been squeezed and hard currency reserves hit a
fresh high last month, despite fears that Khodorkovsky's arrest would
spark a flight of capital.

Sceptics say this success has been too dependent on high oil prices.
Russia emerged during 2003 as the world's leading crude exporter,
ahead of Saudi Arabia. And at near $30-a-barrel oil, Russia's energy
giants - the likes of Lukoil, Gazprom and Sibneft - have bolstered
equities overall.

But the likelihood is that continued global recovery should boost
energy demand in 2004 too, particularly in Asia, keeping oil prices
firm. If that happens - and expected Opec quota cuts suggest it will -
Russia's energy sector will deliver anew for investors.

"The big commodities outfits here are simply faster growing and better
value than any similar companies in the world," says Mattias Westman,
the co-founder of Prosperity Capital Management, which runs several
Russia-dedicated funds.

You can see his point: Gazprom boasts a third of the world's known gas
reserves, and yet is valued at only $20bn (a fraction of what a
comparable Western company, if there were such a thing, would be
worth).

Meanwhile, there is momentum beyond energy. "The oil and gas sectors
are shamed by the rates of growth in consumer spending, retail and
services," says Roland Nash, the head of Research at the Moscow-based
Renaissance Capital. "Each day that passes makes the economy a little
less vulnerable to oil shocks."

Impressive non-oil growth is seen in telecoms. Higher incomes mean 23
per cent of Russians now have mobile phones, up from just 10 per cent
last year. Vimplecom, a major operator, has posted a 78 per cent rise
in third-quarter profits. Russian telecoms, along with utilities,
offer investment opportunities.

So while the pre-trial incarceration of Khodorkovsky should not be
regarded as irrelevant, international investors are more impressed by
Putin's economic record than they are outraged by a bit of oligarch
bashing. Anyway, investing in emerging economies has never been for
the squeamish.

Russia's new generation of billionaires such as Khodorkovsky are not
heroes of the narod, or ordinary voters. Keeping him in jail for the
presidential campaign will probably help Putin win more votes - and
the unedifying truth in a country not famous for stable democracy is
that that will probably add a few more points to the stock market.

"Schelkunchik" wrote
You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
Russia's butt.

Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were sufficient to humilate the entire zio-NATO:
http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zgram_toc.html

Is that funny for you, kike ?

Magno

"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
om...
(robert arndt) wrote
Thanks for amusing us with that cleverly documented joke Alejandro.
Now the facts. No funding, no fuel, no pay for your troops, rotting
rusted navy, non-flying aircraft, electronic obsolescence, reduced to
third place arms exporters, no supersoldier program, no firearms
replacements, no new tanks, aircraft, etc... except a few new subs and
missiles that hopefully won't explode while undergoing sea trials. Add
to this the botched theater rescue, the inability to stop terorist
bombings in Moscow, and the inability to control Chechnya... wow!
Newest thing the Russian Army did for its troops was throw a "beauty
contest" to recruit women! Nice.
Rob

http://www.russianeconomy.org/comments.html

Russia has a flat-tax system of 13%. America has a progresive
(communist) fiscal system.


13% of nothing is nothing. Too bad there are only a handful of Russians that
make money AND pay their taxes.

How is the US Dollar doing ?

1.25 US Dolar = 1.00 Euro

In case, you do not understand, Euro is 25% stronger than US Dollar.


Yep. It means US goods are cheap and European exports are effectively
blocked from US markets...so who needs the WTO?

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The Sunday Telegraph (UK)
4 January 2004
Why they're rushing into Russia
By Liam Hannigan
Liam Halligan is Economics Correspondent at Channnel Four News

Had you invested in the Russian stock market at this time last year,
you would be sitting, in dollar terms, on a tidy 50 per cent profit.
But had you sold those same Russian investments back in October, after
10 months rather than 12, you would have made even more, reaping
closer to 70 per cent.

What happened in October was the dramatic arrest, at gunpoint, of
Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Russia's richest man, who was chief executive of
the oil giant Yukos.

One of the controversial "oligarchs" who grabbed immense wealth during
the chaotic and often lawless privatisations of the mid-1990s,
Khodorkovsky had taken to bankrolling parties opposed to the Kremlin
and had therefore become a nuisance to President Putin.

The decision to jail him - on charges of tax evasion - raised eyebrows
among the international investors who dominate Russia's stock market.

For a few weeks shares fell, amid talk of "renationalisation" and a
return to the "bad old days" of post-Communist chaos. But investor
unease is starting to evaporate. Having flinched, the money men are
focusing on Russia's new and coveted "investment grade" credit rating
from Moody's.

No matter that Khodorkovsky will remain in jail at least until late
March (or after the presidential elections that are likely to give
Putin a second term), the Russian market should continue to surge this
year because there are many good reasons to put money into the
economy.

The obvious draw is the booming economy. Having spluttered since the
break-up of the Soviet Union, Russia is getting into gear. The closely
watched Moscow Narodny Bank manufacturing and services indices broke
records last month, pointing to gross domestic product growth of 8 per
cent.

The economic performance has been "awesome", according to the latest
analysis by UBS investment bank. "A conservative fiscal policy, huge
external surpluses and rapidly rising incomes have combined with
higher productivity and tax reform to transform Russia into one of the
most dynamic emerging markets," it says.

Since the 1998 rouble collapse, economic management has improved no
end. Inflation has been squeezed and hard currency reserves hit a
fresh high last month, despite fears that Khodorkovsky's arrest would
spark a flight of capital.

Sceptics say this success has been too dependent on high oil prices.
Russia emerged during 2003 as the world's leading crude exporter,
ahead of Saudi Arabia. And at near $30-a-barrel oil, Russia's energy
giants - the likes of Lukoil, Gazprom and Sibneft - have bolstered
equities overall.

But the likelihood is that continued global recovery should boost
energy demand in 2004 too, particularly in Asia, keeping oil prices
firm. If that happens - and expected Opec quota cuts suggest it will -
Russia's energy sector will deliver anew for investors.

"The big commodities outfits here are simply faster growing and better
value than any similar companies in the world," says Mattias Westman,
the co-founder of Prosperity Capital Management, which runs several
Russia-dedicated funds.

You can see his point: Gazprom boasts a third of the world's known gas
reserves, and yet is valued at only $20bn (a fraction of what a
comparable Western company, if there were such a thing, would be
worth).

Meanwhile, there is momentum beyond energy. "The oil and gas sectors
are shamed by the rates of growth in consumer spending, retail and
services," says Roland Nash, the head of Research at the Moscow-based
Renaissance Capital. "Each day that passes makes the economy a little
less vulnerable to oil shocks."

Impressive non-oil growth is seen in telecoms. Higher incomes mean 23
per cent of Russians now have mobile phones, up from just 10 per cent
last year. Vimplecom, a major operator, has posted a 78 per cent rise
in third-quarter profits. Russian telecoms, along with utilities,
offer investment opportunities.

So while the pre-trial incarceration of Khodorkovsky should not be
regarded as irrelevant, international investors are more impressed by
Putin's economic record than they are outraged by a bit of oligarch
bashing. Anyway, investing in emerging economies has never been for
the squeamish.

Russia's new generation of billionaires such as Khodorkovsky are not
heroes of the narod, or ordinary voters. Keeping him in jail for the
presidential campaign will probably help Putin win more votes - and
the unedifying truth in a country not famous for stable democracy is
that that will probably add a few more points to the stock market.

"Schelkunchik" wrote:
You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
Russia's butt.

Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were suffient to humilate the entire zio-NATO:
http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zg...06/990614.html

Is that funny for you, "happy" american ?

Magno

(Alejandro Magno)


(B2431) wrote
KAL 007 ring a bell?
If you are going to bash be fair about it.
Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

KAL 007

"Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.


Actually the Soviet's air defense confused KAL 007 with an RC-135 that had
already left the vicinity. You beloved Soviet's plan to shoot first and ask
questions later resulted in the deaths of civilians. Your heroes were so proud
of what they did they hid the evidence.

The entire incident would not have occured if your Soviets didn't weren't in
the habit of shooting aircraft down.

Name one time the U.S. shot down a Soviet aircraft in U.S. air space.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
om...
"Schelkunchik" wrote
You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
Russia's butt.

Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were sufficient to humilate the entire
zio-NATO:
http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zgram_toc.html

Is that funny for you, kike ?

Magno

Why are you so ****ed up? Are you from Barcelona?

"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
om...
"Schelkunchik" wrote:
You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
Russia's butt.

Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were suffient to humilate the entire
zio-NATO:
http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zg...06/990614.html

Is that funny for you, "happy" american ?

Magno

You need to cut back on the olive oil enemas.

"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
om...
"Schelkunchik" wrote:
You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
Russia's butt.

Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were suffient to humilate the entire
zio-NATO:
http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zg...06/990614.html


Given that they were the ones begging for food and water from
the British troops occupying Pristina you have a strange idea
of who was humiliated.

Keith

(Alejandro Magno)
Date: 1/5/2004 4:43 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

"Schelkunchik" wrote
You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
Russia's butt.

Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were sufficient to humilate the entire
zio-NATO:
http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zgram_toc.html

Is that funny for you, kike ?

Magno

Aha, magno shows his true colours.

Now tell us ALL about ZOG and the great international Zionist conspiracies.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
...

"Alejandro Magno" wrote in message
om...
"Schelkunchik" wrote:
You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and
kick
Russia's butt.

Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were suffient to humilate the entire
zio-NATO:
http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zg...06/990614.html


Given that they were the ones begging for food and water from
the British troops occupying Pristina you have a strange idea
of who was humiliated.

Keith



Yes Al, it is funny. Very funny. The US asked Bulgaria and Romania to block
Russian overflights and they did. The Russians couldn't resupply their brave
heroes at Pristina and had to withdraw. If you're a world power, you don't
have to go home cryin' to yo momma...but the Russians did.

Bwahahhahhahahahhahahahahahahahah!