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No Damage History?
I'm wondering what everyone else's definition of "Damage History" is.
After looking through Ebay for a Cessna 172 I ran across this description: Complete Logs, Computerized AD List, Logs reflect no history of damage except: 11/2/95 Off airport landing; Wings, rudder & vertical fin replaced with exchange units. 11/1/96 Hangar rash; R/H elevator re-skinned 5/16/97 Hit runway light on landing with tail; replaced rear tail cone skin, rudder & stabilizer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- Maybe I misunderstood? Maybe what this seller is really saying is that none of the damage was recorded in the a/c log. You be the judge, see the ad for yourself at Ebay item # 2451430535 David |
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"CFLav8r" wrote:
I'm wondering what everyone else's definition of "Damage History" is. Complete Logs, Computerized AD List, Logs reflect no history of damage except: 11/2/95 Off airport landing; Wings, rudder & vertical fin replaced with exchange units. 11/1/96 Hangar rash; R/H elevator re-skinned 5/16/97 Hit runway light on landing with tail; replaced rear tail cone skin, rudder & stabilizer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Ha-ha! "Antique axe from Civil War era for sale: new handle 1973, new blade 1989. $500." -- Dan C172RG at BFM (remove pants to reply by email) |
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"CFLav8r" wrote in message om... I'm wondering what everyone else's definition of "Damage History" is. After looking through Ebay for a Cessna 172 I ran across this description: Complete Logs, Computerized AD List, Logs reflect no history of damage except: I don't know what you expect, it looks straight forward. It says that there is no damage history in the logs other than the three incidents listed. It doesn't say "NO DAMAGE HISTORY" in the auction anywhere. It does say "No Major Damage" in the original listing Having to replace both wings and the tail in an off-airport landing (read CRASH) sounds major to me. Of course, he did disclose that in a revision that was placed before the bidding got serious (and nobody has yet cleared the reserve anyhow). |
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You be the judge, see the ad for yourself at Ebay item # 2451430535
Funny - I never knew that bird was up for sale. It belongs to a flying club based at MSN.. I've never flown it, but my instructor has many times, and made the comment that 'it just didn't fly right'... -- Ben C-172 - N13258 @ 87Y |
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"CFLav8r" wrote in
om: I'm wondering what everyone else's definition of "Damage History" is. As you surmise, there is not precise legal definition that I am aware of. There are few aircraft in the fleet these days that haven't had a piece of aluminum replaced SOMEWHERE due to a rock or hangar rash or whatever. Logs reflect no history of damage except: 11/2/95 Off airport landing; Wings, rudder & vertical fin replaced with exchange units. 11/1/96 Hangar rash; R/H elevator re-skinned 5/16/97 Hit runway light on landing with tail; replaced rear tail cone skin, rudder & stabilizer Two issues here. First, note that he is not saying this is a "no damage history" aircraft. He is saying the only damage is... and lists it. Second issue, could this aircraft be called "no damage history"? In my opinion, absolutely not. Both wings, rudder, and vertical? That's pretty durn major IMHO. OTOH, those items are designed to come off. If they were replaced with undamaged replacements, then one *could* argue that there is no longer any damaged items on the plane. I've seen brokers try to cover themselves this way... and in terms of practical value of the aircraft, there may be something to their arguement. But "no damage history"? No way. ----------------------------------------------- James M. Knox TriSoft ph 512-385-0316 1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331 Austin, Tx 78721 ----------------------------------------------- |
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"James M. Knox" wrote in message ... Second issue, could this aircraft be called "no damage history"? In my opinion, absolutely not. Both wings, rudder, and vertical? That's pretty durn major IMHO. OTOH, those items are designed to come off. If they were replaced with undamaged replacements, then one *could* argue that there is no longer any damaged items on the plane. Of course if you damage a plane such that these parts need replacing, one has to beg the question what else might have been damaged. At least he disclosed it. With those red flags, I'd never buy the airplane for the price he's wanting (It hasn't cleared the reserve at $35K and the BIN is $40K so I suspect that is the price he expects to get). No way would I would buy it without further inspection. It might be a good price, but you can't tell just on the basis of the description. His KING radios he makes as a selling point are junk (one 170 and one MAC 170 upgrade, sheesh). Also his "big one owner" selling point is sort of countered by the fact that it's been abused by renter pilots for almost 9000 hours. Wonder what happened at ~1700 hours when the engine was removed. The 1995 crash was "The airplane sustained substantial damage when it nosed over during the landing roll following a forced landing." But that would seem to be later in the history than 1700 hours. So in addition to the "repaired damage", there was most likely a prop strike (on albeit a windmilling engine). The 1997 "runway light" incident was really a collision with the VASI's after a bounced landing. Again the report says "substantially damaged." A little more than just running over a runway edge light as suggested. |
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"CFLav8r" wrote in message
om... I'm wondering what everyone else's definition of "Damage History" is. After looking through Ebay for a Cessna 172 I ran across this description: I visited a website that I could look up the history of an aircraft by tail number but didn't bookmark it and can't find it again. :-( Does anyone have that website url available? It's not the NTSB query, it gives discrepancies that were reported to the FAA. Thanks! |
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You may be thinking of http://www.myairplane.com Look under Aircraft
Background Investigation on the menu bar Mike "Sven" wrote: "CFLav8r" wrote in message om... I'm wondering what everyone else's definition of "Damage History" is. After looking through Ebay for a Cessna 172 I ran across this description: I visited a website that I could look up the history of an aircraft by tail number but didn't bookmark it and can't find it again. :-( Does anyone have that website url available? It's not the NTSB query, it gives discrepancies that were reported to the FAA. Thanks! |
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"Mike Adams" wrote in message news:4m2Kb.46498$m83.46269@fed1read01... You may be thinking of http://www.myairplane.com Look under Aircraft Background Investigation on the menu bar Doesn't do a very good job. I looked up my N number which I know is in the NTSB database. All I get is my ownership records. But the eBay plane finds more stuff PILOT MADE A HARD LANDING. BOUNCED AND LANDED ON NOSE WHEEL |
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Tony Woolner wrote: I went the the avweb website. From there to the FAA. Database. They said you could not look up owners name because of security! Interesting. It's available from http://www.landings.com . A flying club in WI. George Patterson Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is "Hummmmm... That's interesting...." |
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