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October 19th 03, 06:41 PM
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NAZI Oil Post Error
During the war Germany operated 16 Coal Gasification Plants that
produced synthetic fuel. 85% of German aviation ran off synthetics, as did much of the German war machine in general. The SS Scientific Branch further developed coal-burning powerplants as well as exploring grain alcohol fuels, Hydrogen peroxide turbines, and free energy machines like Hans Coler's designs as well as Schaubergers vortex motors that ran off water, air, and a crystalline substance. What you are quoting is pre-war oil sales to Germany and Germany's strategic reserves during the opening of the war. As the war progressed, however, Germany was dependent on synthetics, captured oil fields, and coal burning engines. Some German Kubelwagens were even converted over to coal burning engines while others were used to power searchlights and run machinery. Rob p.s. After the war one of the German coal gasification plants was actually transferred to Texas and research-operated for years before being shut down and filed away by the US oil industry. Synthetics have always been possible but the avg price of a barrel of synthetics is at least double or triple the price of a barrel of crude oil. That's why we are still dependent on foreign oil. 
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October 19th 03, 06:54 PM
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"robert arndt" wrote in message om... During the war Germany operated 16 Coal Gasification Plants that produced synthetic fuel. 85% of German aviation ran off synthetics, as did much of the German war machine in general. The SS Scientific Branch further developed coal-burning powerplants as well as exploring grain alcohol fuels, Hydrogen peroxide turbines, and free energy machines like Hans Coler's designs as well as Schaubergers vortex motors that ran off water, air, and a crystalline substance. What you are quoting is pre-war oil sales to Germany and Germany's strategic reserves during the opening of the war. As the war progressed, however, Germany was dependent on synthetics, captured oil fields, and coal burning engines. Some German Kubelwagens were even converted over to coal burning engines while others were used to power searchlights and run machinery. Rob p.s. After the war one of the German coal gasification plants was actually transferred to Texas and research-operated for years before being shut down and filed away by the US oil industry. Synthetics have always been possible but the avg price of a barrel of synthetics is at least double or triple the price of a barrel of crude oil. That's why we are still dependent on foreign oil. Germany wasnt the only nation to build large synthetic fuel plants. ICI operated a number in the UKduring WW2. Keith
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October 19th 03, 11:11 PM
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
"robert arndt" wrote in message om... During the war Germany operated 16 Coal Gasification Plants that produced synthetic fuel. 85% of German aviation ran off synthetics, as did much of the German war machine in general. The SS Scientific Branch further developed coal-burning powerplants as well as exploring grain alcohol fuels, Hydrogen peroxide turbines, and free energy machines like Hans Coler's designs as well as Schaubergers vortex motors that ran off water, air, and a crystalline substance. What you are quoting is pre-war oil sales to Germany and Germany's strategic reserves during the opening of the war. As the war progressed, however, Germany was dependent on synthetics, captured oil fields, and coal burning engines. Some German Kubelwagens were even converted over to coal burning engines while others were used to power searchlights and run machinery. Rob p.s. After the war one of the German coal gasification plants was actually transferred to Texas and research-operated for years before being shut down and filed away by the US oil industry. Synthetics have always been possible but the avg price of a barrel of synthetics is at least double or triple the price of a barrel of crude oil. That's why we are still dependent on foreign oil. Germany wasnt the only nation to build large synthetic fuel plants. ICI operated a number in the UKduring WW2. Keith True enough... yet Germany had the most advanced synthetic fuel programs in the world by 1945. Rob
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October 20th 03, 12:13 AM
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October 20th 03, 02:58 AM
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In article , teuton263
@aol.com says... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "robert arndt" wrote in message om... During the war Germany operated 16 Coal Gasification Plants that produced synthetic fuel. 85% of German aviation ran off synthetics, as did much of the German war machine in general. The SS Scientific Branch further developed coal-burning powerplants as well as exploring grain alcohol fuels, Hydrogen peroxide turbines, and free energy machines like Hans Coler's designs as well as Schaubergers vortex motors that ran off water, air, and a crystalline substance. What you are quoting is pre-war oil sales to Germany and Germany's strategic reserves during the opening of the war. As the war progressed, however, Germany was dependent on synthetics, captured oil fields, and coal burning engines. Some German Kubelwagens were even converted over to coal burning engines while others were used to power searchlights and run machinery. Rob p.s. After the war one of the German coal gasification plants was actually transferred to Texas and research-operated for years before being shut down and filed away by the US oil industry. Synthetics have always been possible but the avg price of a barrel of synthetics is at least double or triple the price of a barrel of crude oil. That's why we are still dependent on foreign oil. Germany wasnt the only nation to build large synthetic fuel plants. ICI operated a number in the UKduring WW2. Keith True enough... yet Germany had the most advanced synthetic fuel programs in the world by 1945. And hundreds of aircraft sitting on the runways without any fuel. -- When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.
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October 20th 03, 06:44 PM
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October 20th 03, 07:17 PM
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Because they HAD to. They were cut off from all natural sources.
Al Minyard Why could they have not just flown the oil in, say like in supersonic ME-262s, or the Sanger bomber, or in Disc aircraft?  Ron Pilot/Wildland Firefighter
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#8
October 20th 03, 08:47 PM
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"Alan Minyard" wrote in message ... On 19 Oct 2003 15:11:17 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote: Because they HAD to. They were cut off from all natural sources. Well yes and no They started building those plants a long time before the war began so as to be independent of foreign suppliers, memories of the blockade of WW1 were doubtless a significant factor but its worth recalling that similar plants were built in Britain which wasnt cut off. In those days both Germany and Britain had ample coal reserves so being less reliant on foreign oil suppliers was seen as good strategy. Keith
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#9
October 20th 03, 10:59 PM
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Keith Willshaw wrote:
"Alan Minyard" wrote in message ... On 19 Oct 2003 15:11:17 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote: Because they HAD to. They were cut off from all natural sources. Well yes and no They started building those plants a long time before the war began so as to be independent of foreign suppliers, memories of the blockade of WW1 were doubtless a significant factor but its worth recalling that similar plants were built in Britain which wasnt cut off. In those days both Germany and Britain had ample coal reserves so being less reliant on foreign oil suppliers was seen as good strategy. What are we looking at now, supersonic coal-fired Me 262s -- James... http://www.jameshart.co.uk/
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October 20th 03, 11:57 PM
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"James Hart" wrote in message ... Keith Willshaw wrote: "Alan Minyard" wrote in message ... On 19 Oct 2003 15:11:17 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote: Because they HAD to. They were cut off from all natural sources. Well yes and no They started building those plants a long time before the war began so as to be independent of foreign suppliers, memories of the blockade of WW1 were doubtless a significant factor but its worth recalling that similar plants were built in Britain which wasnt cut off. In those days both Germany and Britain had ample coal reserves so being less reliant on foreign oil suppliers was seen as good strategy. What are we looking at now, supersonic coal-fired Me 262s Close The fuel for the Me-262's as for all German aircraft was synthesised from coal. Keith
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