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Maxwell writes:
Again, you statement shows you don't understand the self defense laws, and qualifications for the license. That depends on the jurisdiction. In places like the UK, he's pretty much on the mark. Not every jurisdiction allows you to draw and shoot every time you feel threatened. Having a license and carrying a legal concealed weapon does not give you the right to use the weapon unless you have no other choice. You are still responsable for taking any and all reasonable avoidance options. So the actual probability of being in a situation where you can legally use it is extraordinarily low. One reason why professional criminals don't routinely carry guns is that they don't usually need them and they can get in trouble if someone finds that they have one. |
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Matt Whiting writes:
We don't have much crime where I live either and at least every other person is armed according to the latest statistics I've seen. They may be comparing guns to population, but that's a bit simplistic. I note that most people either have no gun at all (the usual case), or they have _lots_ of guns. So the reality is that many people are unarmed, and those who are armed are armed to the teeth. |
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Maxwell writes:
Find any instance were a licensed person in the US has exited his car at a traffic stop and fired on the police. Most people driving have a license, even those who fire on police. |
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"Jose" wrote in message
t... but given the tendency for the European politicos to promote a United Europe, I find the border crossings still quite interesting. In all fairness, Europe is made up of different =countries=. The United States is all one country. I expect border crossing between Spain and Portugal to be different than from Connecticut to Rhode Island. Jose -- Jose, that's the way you and I understood it to be since ... forever. But when I was in Germany awhile back the political powers were all squawking about how a United Europe was going to stand as a peer to the United States in technology, medicine, financial power, and a load of other crap. We don't really hear about that here in the US and maybe I just happened to be there during a time when the topic was very "newsworthy". Nevertheless, if Europe wants to claim its united status (as they are attempting to do with the Euro) then let's measure them by the same yardstick. -- Jim Carter Rogers, Arkansas |
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Nevertheless, if Europe wants to claim its
united status (as they are attempting to do with the Euro) then let's measure them by the same yardstick. Talk is talk. It's one thing to link one's currencies together (and after that, changing the name is only symbolic). It's quite another thing to link one's constitutions together, and surrender one's soveriginity. I don't see that happening. I don't even see noises in that direction. When you were in Germany, were the German political powers talking about living under France's rules, or Spain's? Jose -- There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when they push the button. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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"Maxwell" wrote:
I read them pretty fast, but didn't see any reference to the shooters have a hand gun license. Did I miss something, or did you misunderstand my use of the term licensed persons? I assumed auto license since your statement read "...licensed person in the US has exited his car...." Proximity of the two words mislead me so I misunderstand your intent. I sit corrected. |
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"Blueskies" wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "Maxwell" wrote: Find any instance were a licensed person in the US has exited his car at a traffic stop and fired on the police. Trivially easy: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ies-shot_x.htm http://www.lanecounty.org/News/News_...ease_12821.htm Neither of these were done by licensed gun carriers. Quite - as stated in another post I somehow managed to overlook the context of the subthread and for some reason assumed "licensed" meant "licensed driver" which, in retrospect, was a dumb mistake. D'oh! |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Maxwell writes: Again, you statement shows you don't understand the self defense laws, and qualifications for the license. That depends on the jurisdiction. In places like the UK, he's pretty much on the mark. Not every jurisdiction allows you to draw and shoot every time you feel threatened. Having a license and carrying a legal concealed weapon does not give you the right to use the weapon unless you have no other choice. You are still responsable for taking any and all reasonable avoidance options. So the actual probability of being in a situation where you can legally use it is extraordinarily low. One reason why professional criminals don't routinely carry guns is that they don't usually need them and they can get in trouble if someone finds that they have one. Right. |
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"Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "Blueskies" wrote: "Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "Maxwell" wrote: Find any instance were a licensed person in the US has exited his car at a traffic stop and fired on the police. Trivially easy: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ies-shot_x.htm http://www.lanecounty.org/News/News_...ease_12821.htm Neither of these were done by licensed gun carriers. Quite - as stated in another post I somehow managed to overlook the context of the subthread and for some reason assumed "licensed" meant "licensed driver" which, in retrospect, was a dumb mistake. Not dumb, just simple. Conceal licensed folks are usually accepted as the good guys by law enforcement. You have to have a pretty clear record to obtain one. When the law passed in my state, most of the guys where I worked were all touting they would be the first to sign up. It was a big deal. We were all passing around the phone number for ordering the applications forms and talking about it daily. But when the information started arriving, clearly 1 in 3 that intended to apply found they couldn't quailify. A friend of my was sighed for assualt 3 years earlier, for simply shoving someone in a bar. He didn't actally hit the guy. But it disquaified him. Others were declined over simple protective orders from past divorces, a pot bust many years earlier, etc. You truly have to qualify with you past record. |
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