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Lacquer thinner on gel coat
Need to remove previous owners competition number. Would like to
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Lacquer thinner on gel coat
"Steve Freeman" wrote in message
ups.com... Need to remove previous owners competition number. Would like to confirm that lacquer thinner will not affect gel coat. This sort of thing has come up before - I don't think that you are going to get conformation that you will not affect gel coat with agressive solvents. What kind of numbers are they? Vinyl comes off best with a hair dryer. 3M also makes a rubber "eraser" wheel that goes on a drill motor to generate heat and friction. Paint is a whole 'nother story. Easy-off oven cleaner (the original kind with Lye) has worked for me on boats - dunno if I have the guts to try it on a structural laminate on an airplane. "Fiberglass safe" paint removers often aren't (at least in my experience) - I've had them eat through gel coat where some was spilled (Interlux "Pintoff" or something like that). -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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Lacquer thinner on gel coat
"Steve Freeman" wrote in message
ups.com... Need to remove previous owners competition number. Would like to confirm that lacquer thinner will not affect gel coat. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.soaring/search?group=rec.aviation.soaring&q=adhesive+remov e Yields at least a dozen threads on this topic -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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Lacquer thinner on gel coat
On Jun 28, 4:13 pm, Steve Freeman wrote:
Need to remove previous owners competition number. Would like to confirm that lacquer thinner will not affect gel coat. Try acetone. If numbers are typical nitrocellulose laquer used in the old days, they will come off quickly and easily. If acetone does not touch the paint, sand off starting with 600 sandpaper wet, followed by 1000, 1200, 1500, 2000 and polish. Takes about 2-3 hr to do whole job right and no gelcoat damage. Avoid the temptation to try for a chemical solution lest you next be visiting an expert to put white chemicals back on. Cheers UH |
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Lacquer thinner on gel coat
A lot of good discussion here but there one thing that hasn't been
mentioned. Old gelcoat can be very porous. Depending on the condition of the underlying (and surrounding) gelcoat, disolving colored lacquer with a thinner or solvent may cause it to soak it into porous gelcoat making a real mess. Sometimes, the old CN has shielded the underlying gelcoat from UV so trying to remove the CN's with thinner just makes it soak into the surrounding surface leaving hte CN's visible as white numbers on a stained background. If this happens, the only recourse is to remove all the old gelcoat and refinish. Lacquer really sticks to gelcoat - a good reason to use vinyl. Proceed carefully with the CN removal job. Bill Daniels wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 28, 4:13 pm, Steve Freeman wrote: Need to remove previous owners competition number. Would like to confirm that lacquer thinner will not affect gel coat. Try acetone. If numbers are typical nitrocellulose laquer used in the old days, they will come off quickly and easily. If acetone does not touch the paint, sand off starting with 600 sandpaper wet, followed by 1000, 1200, 1500, 2000 and polish. Takes about 2-3 hr to do whole job right and no gelcoat damage. Avoid the temptation to try for a chemical solution lest you next be visiting an expert to put white chemicals back on. Cheers UH |
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Lacquer thinner on gel coat
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"Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote: "Steve Freeman" wrote in message ups.com... Need to remove previous owners competition number. Would like to confirm that lacquer thinner will not affect gel coat. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...p=rec.aviation .soaring&q=adhesive+remove Yields at least a dozen threads on this topic -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. Here's what worked for me on my old 301 Libelle that had the original grey lettering on the fuselage: Acetone. Lacquer thinner will work, but it's the acetone in lacquer thinner that actually takes off the old numbers. Just use acetone and the numbers will wipe right off very easily. You will find however, that the gelcoat under the numbers looks a lot better than the gelcoat that wasn't covered. The acetone did not damage my gelcoat. It did not damage the composite laminate. It may have damaged my liver, but it had to wait in line for that... Speaking of which, it's Friday and cocktail hour is approaching. |
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Lacquer thinner on gel coat
On Jun 29, 11:41 am, Berry wrote:
In article , "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote: "Steve Freeman" wrote in message oups.com... Need to remove previous owners competition number. Would like to confirm that lacquer thinner will not affect gel coat. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...arch?group=rec.... .soaring&q=adhesive+remove Yields at least a dozen threads on this topic -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. Here's what worked for me on my old 301 Libelle that had the original grey lettering on the fuselage: Acetone. Lacquer thinner will work, but it's the acetone in lacquer thinner that actually takes off the old numbers. Just use acetone and the numbers will wipe right off very easily. You will find however, that the gelcoat under the numbers looks a lot better than the gelcoat that wasn't covered. The acetone did not damage my gelcoat. It did not damage the composite laminate. It may have damaged my liver, but it had to wait in line for that... Speaking of which, it's Friday and cocktail hour is approaching.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree with Bill that the lacquer make get into the surrounding gelcoat. I Disagree that the only thing to do is sand down all the old gelcoat. How about appropriate surface prep, then a new white background in a matching white Polyurethane or even a coat of Lacquer. OR My Speed Astir had the Standard Grob orange trim on the nose. I used Acetone to remove the bulk of the paint, then sanded for a while with 1200 grit, which took care of the rest, then buffed out and waxed. Aside from looking slightly too clean and shiny, it's unnoticeable. YMMV, the Grob has very thick gelcoat. Jim |
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Lacquer thinner on gel coat
I agree with UH. Sanding isn't much work, even on the wings. Do a
contour job on the lower wing and most of the ID number there will likely sand off anyway. I used polishing/rubbing compound (can't remember which; whatever I had handy that day) and elbow grease to convert an old N number and contest number from JB to JE for the new buyer. It really wasn't too bad. The only problem was, as one poster has noted, the gel coat under the numbers was in "like new" condition after 13 years: no crazing and no discoloration, neither of which was true of the rest of the airplane. Makes you wonder if you should wait a year or three for the shrinkage to stablize on a new glider, sand it smooth, and then shoot it with a coat of polyurethane or something else on top of the gel coat. Chip Bearden ASW 24 "JB" USA |
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Lacquer thinner on gel coat
Chip Bearden wrote:
I agree with UH. Sanding isn't much work, even on the wings. Do a contour job on the lower wing and most of the ID number there will likely sand off anyway. I used polishing/rubbing compound (can't remember which; whatever I had handy that day) and elbow grease to convert an old N number and contest number from JB to JE for the new buyer. It really wasn't too bad. The only problem was, as one poster has noted, the gel coat under the numbers was in "like new" condition after 13 years: no crazing and no discoloration, neither of which was true of the rest of the airplane. Makes you wonder if you should wait a year or three for the shrinkage to stablize on a new glider, sand it smooth, and then shoot it with a coat of polyurethane or something else on top of the gel coat. Indeed. Maybe the ships should be painted contest letter gray, with stencils in place on the fin and under the wing so the letters show up white. The Ad will say "No gel coat cracking or crazing except contest numbers" :-) Shawn |
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