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What to do about North Korea...?
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Jose wrote: It seems to me that our response to the 9-11 vandals "vandals"??? That is simply the dumbest characterization of the low-life scum that I've ever heard. You make Mikey look like a genius. -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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"vandals"???
That is simply the dumbest characterization of the low-life scum that I've ever heard. You make Mikey look like a genius. I use that particular charactarization here because I mean to emphasize that the attack was planned and carried out by a small number of people, not by a nation, or even a sizable religious group. Although they claim to do it in the name of that sizable group, just like the abortion clinic bombers do their thing in the name of their sizable group, I do not believe that their actions reflect the actual positions of that group. (yes, you can find in the Koran... you can also find in the Bible...) It was an act of mass murder by a small group, not an act of war by a nation. While this may not matter to those who died, it should matter very much to those who decide our response. However, our response ultimately was to use this independent act to bolster our bravado against a =different=, lookalike enemy. Now we wonder why they hate us so much more. (and yes, I believe they hate us =more= now than they did before, and with reason). Religious fundamentalism, of all kinds, is extremely dangerous, insidious, and difficult to root out. Bob Fry (IMHO) is correct in this, and also the facts he presents appear reasonable, but the inference that most all of the Islamic people are our enemy, and always were, is all too easy to make from his presentation, and that would be incorrect. True, the worst case is they shoot a couple of nukes off, let's say one in Asia, another to the US...followed with massive retaliation by the US. Were the US to even =attempt= to retalliate with nukes would be a disaster and make us the enemy of the world. A massive conventional war against Korea is more likely to succeed, though our miltary history in the last sixty years is not inspiring (and a loss here would also be a huge disaster). Doing nothing would also be a disaster if Korea attacked, whereas doing nothing would =not= have been a disaster after 9-11. Which I suppose is my point. I think it is possible to contain the Korea threat. It is simple, it is based on known principles (nations wanting power over other nations), and it is basically military. The threat of religious fundamentalism is far more subtle, and dealing with it properly goes fundamentally against our (stated) principles. This is why [warning - aviation content] we ourselves have the FRZ, ADIZ, and other silly rules to follow, under penalty of an F-15. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message oups.com... I wonder what our Air Force guys in South Korea are doing right now... Sounds like they are watching missiles fail mid-flight according to CNN. :-) I was sort of hoping we'd use this occasion for some live tests of our anti-missile laser and missile systems. It would be nice to have some free targets for a change. I wish I could feel so confident about this thing. While the world's attention has been diverted to Iraq and Gaza, I think the real nightmare scenario is developing in North Korea. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" I think the nut-jobs in North Korea will use their technology for blackmail. They are bright enough to realize that if they ever pop of a ballistic missile or a nuke at anyone, they will be out of power quickly because the leadership cadre will be dead - squashed like a bug. In the end, staying in power is their goal and being dead doesn't help that cause. So, instead of lighting off their toys, they will rattle swords to blackmail the West and their neighbors for various forms of aid which will serve to keep the little gargoyle Kim El Jong in power. The islamists, on the other hand, particularly the ones who have gone over to the 99.99% extreme of their religion actually believe that dying is a good thing if it is done in a way that kills infidels. If those people ever get the bomb, I think they will use it if they get a chance. |
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"Stubby" == Stubby writes:
Stubby I suspect our Special Ops crews are preparing for very Stubby secret missions to disable many components of NK's threat. I suspect you've absorbed too many action movies. Special Ops crews are not superhuman, and the NK's are not some 3rd-world banana republic. |
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"Jose" wrote in message .com... that our response to the 9-11 vandals has created or at least amplified a lot of the anti-US "Vandals"? |
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"Kyle Boatright" wrote: The islamists, on the other hand, particularly the ones who have gone over to the 99.99% extreme of their religion actually believe that dying is a good thing if it is done in a way that kills infidels. If those people ever get the bomb, I think they will use it if they get a chance. That is why the situation in Pakistan is potentially far more dangerous than either N. Korea or Iran. Pakistan is a nuclear power *now*, and is only a quick coup away from having radical Islamists in power. What will the U. S. do if we wake up tomorrow to find Pervez Musharraf overthrown and the Mullahs in charge? Certainly, our options will be restricted by the effort being wasted in Iraq, and the re-emerging Taliban problem that that useless war has permitted to rise in Afghanistan. At a time when we need to be light on our feet, we are stuck in a tar-pit: "We are not controlling events in Iraq. Events in Iraq are controlling us. We are the puppet; the street gangs of Baghdad and Basra are the puppet-masters, aided and abetted by an unsavory assortment of confidence men, bazaar traders, scheming clerics, ethnic front men, and Iranian agents. With all our wealth and power and idealism, we have submitted to become the plaything of a rabble, and a Middle Eastern rabble at that. [ ] The lazy-minded evangelico-romanticism of George W. Bush, the bureaucratic will to power of Donald Rumsfeld, the avuncular condescension of Dick Cheney, and the reflexive military deference of Colin Powell combined to get us into a situation we never wanted to be in, a situation no self-respecting nation ought to be in, a situation we don't know how to get out of." -John Derbyshire, National Review Online, June 12th, 2006 -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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Dan Luke wrote:
"Kyle Boatright" wrote: The islamists, on the other hand, particularly the ones who have gone over to the 99.99% extreme of their religion actually believe that dying is a good thing if it is done in a way that kills infidels. If those people ever get the bomb, I think they will use it if they get a chance. That is why the situation in Pakistan is potentially far more dangerous than either N. Korea or Iran. Pakistan is a nuclear power *now*, and is only a quick coup away from having radical Islamists in power. What will the U. S. do if we wake up tomorrow to find Pervez Musharraf overthrown and the Mullahs in charge? Certainly, our options will be restricted by the effort being wasted in Iraq, and the re-emerging Taliban problem that that useless war has permitted to rise in Afghanistan. At a time when we need to be light on our feet, we are stuck in a tar-pit: "We are not controlling events in Iraq. Events in Iraq are controlling us. We are the puppet; the street gangs of Baghdad and Basra are the puppet-masters, aided and abetted by an unsavory assortment of confidence men, bazaar traders, scheming clerics, ethnic front men, and Iranian agents. With all our wealth and power and idealism, we have submitted to become the plaything of a rabble, and a Middle Eastern rabble at that. [ ] The lazy-minded evangelico-romanticism of George W. Bush, the bureaucratic will to power of Donald Rumsfeld, the avuncular condescension of Dick Cheney, and the reflexive military deference of Colin Powell combined to get us into a situation we never wanted to be in, a situation no self-respecting nation ought to be in, a situation we don't know how to get out of." -John Derbyshire, National Review Online, June 12th, 2006 What a bunch of crap. Matt |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote: What a bunch of crap. Couldn't very well call it a bunch of left wing crap, could you? I'm sure you remember... "Mission accomplished!" - Banner welcoming George W. Bush aboard the USS Lincoln, May, 2003? But now listen to the dean of American conservative journalism: "One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed." --Wm. F. Buckley, February, 2006 It takes some very intense denial to see the invasion of Iraq as anything but a grotesque blunder. Even serious American conservative thinkers are beginning to admit this. Now, the harm done is becoming evident: American power and international influence--squandered in Iraq--are in short supply when needed to confront *real* threats. -- Dan "Hell hath no fury like a noncombatant." -Mitchell Coffey |
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I have no doubt there are US & Russian subs, just waiting around
to pick up the rockets and other debris...From what I understand, the NK guidance system is only slightly better than the cruise control on my car. |
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What to do about North Korea...?
Quilljar wrote:
While the world's attention has been diverted to Iraq and Gaza, I think the real nightmare scenario is developing in North Korea. Or Guantalamo Bay? Guantalamo (sic) Bay is producing its own sovereign long range nuclear weapons of mass destruction delivery system? |
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