PIREP - Reiff Preheat Systems

Joe:

You mention you did all the work. Is an A&P signoff required? Or just
your logbook entry?

"Blanche" wrote in message
...
Joe:

You mention you did all the work. Is an A&P signoff required? Or just
your logbook entry?


Blanche

Quoting from the installation instructions:

"Installation of this heater is a minor alteration and does not require a
Form 337 or STC , in accordace with FAR Part 43 Appendix B. It does not
require an A&P to install it, but the installation should be inspected and
signed off by an A&P..."

Joe

Joe Young wrote:
"Blanche" wrote in message
Joe:

You mention you did all the work. Is an A&P signoff required? Or just
your logbook entry?


Blanche

Quoting from the installation instructions:

"Installation of this heater is a minor alteration and does not require a
Form 337 or STC , in accordace with FAR Part 43 Appendix B. It does not
require an A&P to install it, but the installation should be inspected and
signed off by an A&P..."

The word "should" may be misleading. US Govt. documentation uses the
word "shall" to require a mandatory sign-off. Using the word "should"
implies to me (and I'm often wrong!) that it's an option.

Joe Young wrote:
"Blanche" wrote in message
...

Joe:

You mention you did all the work. Is an A&P signoff required? Or just
your logbook entry?



Blanche

Quoting from the installation instructions:

"Installation of this heater is a minor alteration and does not require a
Form 337 or STC , in accordace with FAR Part 43 Appendix B. It does not
require an A&P to install it, but the installation should be inspected and
signed off by an A&P..."

Which begs the question why does someone **** away $150+ on a heater
which doesn't require a 337 or an STC when you can get the same thing
for $35.

Which begs the question why does someone **** away $150+ on a heater
which doesn't require a 337 or an STC when you can get the same thing
for $35.


Some of us "**** away" $150+ to keep our birds legal. The Reiff heaters
have a PMA and are FAA approved which means they can legally be installed on
a certified aircraft. I by no means believe all of the bureaucratic
nonsense is necessary, but gave up fighting the system some time ago. I you
don't want to abide by the rules governing certified aircraft then homebuilt
market offers some great alternatives.

Would you also use baling wire and tractor parts in your quest to save $115?

Joe

"Joe Young" wrote in message ...
Some of us "**** away" $150+ to keep our birds legal. The Reiff heaters
have a PMA and are FAA approved which means they can legally be installed on
a certified aircraft.

Joe,
After searching a number of aviation newsgroups on preheat options,
I decided to order a Reiff system to be installed on our new engine
(the Tanis heater came with the old engine could not be reused). My
recollection of various discussions was that one would not need FAA's
approval for a pre heater. I had considered cheaper alternatives:

1. E-Z heat: $160 (300w or less)- oil pan heater
http://www.e-zheat.com/index.htm
2. Safe-Heet $130 (300w) - oil pan heater
http://www.aircraftsupply.com/categories.asp?cID=133
3. ProHeat pad - Model 512 $55 (250w) - oil pan heater (not specified
for aircraft but should work the same)
http://www.engineheaters.com/

Of course, there are cheaper oil pan heating pads for less than $50
but with lower wattage (100w or so).

Our final analysis was that after spending $15K on a new engine, the
price of a more complete (and properly with better temperature
control) system such as the Reiff unit seems reasonable for our peace
of mind.

On 9 Dec 2003 12:28:37 -0800, (hlongworth) wrote:

(the Tanis heater came with the old engine could not be reused)

I'm surprised at that.

My Tanis system consists of a heated oil screen (I can't recall if it's the
pressure or suction screen), and heated intake bolts (one per cylinder).
And I've had no problem moving it when I had an overhaul/exchange engine.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron Rosenfeld wrote in message . ..
On 9 Dec 2003 12:28:37 -0800, (hlongworth) wrote:

(the Tanis heater came with the old engine could not be reused)

I'm surprised at that.

My Tanis system consists of a heated oil screen (I can't recall if it's the
pressure or suction screen), and heated intake bolts (one per cylinder).
And I've had no problem moving it when I had an overhaul/exchange engine.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron,
We had no ideas how old it was. Our A&P tried to remove it but the
components fell apart. Not sure whether it was still in working
condition in the first place (we bought our Cardinal last Spring).

Joe Young wrote:
Which begs the question why does someone **** away $150+ on a heater
which doesn't require a 337 or an STC when you can get the same thing
for $35.



Some of us "**** away" $150+ to keep our birds legal. The Reiff heaters
have a PMA and are FAA approved which means they can legally be installed on
a certified aircraft.

A glue on heater that goes on your oil pan is not installed. That Reiff
says that they have a PMA is hysterical. And exactly what does FAA
approved mean? Thay have no STC, without that there is no FAA approval.
They don't have one because one isn't necessary. Their heater and the
one I got from Tractor Supply are identical.

Newps wrote:
Joe Young wrote:
"Blanche" wrote in message
Joe:

You mention you did all the work. Is an A&P signoff required? Or just
your logbook entry?

Blanche

Quoting from the installation instructions:
"Installation of this heater is a minor alteration and does not require a
Form 337 or STC , in accordace with FAR Part 43 Appendix B. It does not
require an A&P to install it, but the installation should be inspected and
signed off by an A&P..."

Which begs the question why does someone **** away $150+ on a heater
which doesn't require a 337 or an STC when you can get the same thing
for $35.

And the instructions are still confusing. I would expect (for liability)
them to state "installation *must* be inspected and signed off by
an A&P..." and not "should". From the non-Govt vendor, they don't
use the word "shall" (rather, use "will". Check the dictionary to
see more of this silliness! )

I'm still confused...so what else is new?