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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bob Officer wrote in
: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:37:04 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in : Government Shill #2 wrote: George wrote: I wonder in this example why did the Electra stall and spin? From my very first lessons it was drilled into my head by all my instructors "WHEN THE ENGINE FAILS GET THE NOSE DOWN AND FLY THE AIRPLANE!" I wonder why the Electra didn't remain in a (somewhat) straight & level attitude? Was the crew too busy, confused, alarmed, to fly/glide the airplane? ISTR from reading Air Disasters by Macarthur Jobs, that the Electra crashed because the birds took out both engines on one side and the asymmetric thrust of the remaining engines could not be corrected by the available rudder authority. I may be wrong. It was a long time ago that I read about it. Plus the fact that it happened right after takeoff when it was just above stall speed. It wouldn't have been just above stal speed, it would have been just above V2 whihc would have been at least VSO 1.2 http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19601004-0 A few seconds after taking off from runway 05, the Electra struck a flock of starlings. A number of these birds were ingested in engine no.1, 2 and 4. Engine no. 1 was shut down and the prop feathered. Shortly after that the no. 2 and 4 engines experienced a substantial momentary loss of power. This caused the plane to yaw to the left and decelerate to stall speed. The left wing then dropped, the nose pitched up and the L-188 rolled left into a spin and fell almost vertically into the water. PROBABLE CAUSE: "The unique and critical sequence of the loss and recovery of engine power following bird ingestion, resulting in loss of airspeed and control during takeoff. " Loss of airspeed due to the loss of three engines. The HP woudl have been attempting to maintain altitude with a speed trade and no thrust to spare. He would have entually hit VMC and rolled doing this. Just like Concorde.. No one can fault Scully. He has exactly the same number of take offs and landings. That he swam away from his last with no loss passengers and crew is a good thing. At the end of the day, tha's all that counts. There are those who would try and tamper with success, though. Evel fjukkers. We have an obscene name for them, so if any reader is of a timid disposition, they had best look away now. We call them.. Management pilots. Bertie |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bob Officer wrote in
: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: §ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw- : Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth $1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Excellent. I'll sign on for a course. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam No! Hell no! And what pray tell is wrong with steam? Steam locomotives? Everything. Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here! Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive? They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy. (usually about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power) Excelelnt. Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf. and suffered breathing problems. Pretty much the same as pilts, then. Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads with more than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten years ago the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and started a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too late. Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and 2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab. Guess what? http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...oxic-fumes-in- airliner-cabins-ignored-by-authorities.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...ndustry.uknews http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...umes-check-on- ba-jets-683819.html http://www.welcomeaboardtoxicairline...amediapack.pdf http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=3073 Bertie |
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Turboprops
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. . "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in : "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... Nope, i just like watching you bitch and moan. It's a bit like watching a turtle turned on it's back. Bertie At least you have a grip on your own situation. Awww, another IKYABWAI poast. C'mon Maxie a bit of effort here please. Bertie Effort? What, you wanna play Squirty the ****Drip again? |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
In message , Bob Officer wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: §ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw- : Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Excellent. I'll sign on for a course. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam No! Hell no! And what pray tell is wrong with steam? Steam locomotives? Everything. Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here! Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive? Not while its running. They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy. (usually about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power) Yeap. Coal fired mostly. Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf. and suffered breathing problems. My granpa was one Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who the **** I was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff. Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads with more than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten years ago the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and started a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too late. YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt **** & moan about the conditions. Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and 2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab. Ever seen a track weasel? ^_^ -- "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people y gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden surpations.... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have bec me the instruments of tyranny at home." -James Madison |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. . "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in : wrote in message news:94e057be-6ea5-4cfe-98f2-271d6e3bbd91 @p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com ... Good job. You have just proven yourself as stupid and childish as your friend. Have you lcated some sort of random insult generatort there Maxie? Maybe on the Burger King Kids Korner Page? BTW, yo mama like a cuppa coffee Bertie Who needs it with a target a stupid as you. Target? bwawahwhhawhhawh! Oh Got me again there Maxie. Bertie |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. . "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in : "George" wrote in message news:b3b5c219-1618-4c7d-9d4f-e1aaf646b26a@ 35g2000pry.googlegroups.com .. . On Jan 18, 3:37 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote: I'm not Mx, and you can't seem to decide if you are George or Ricky. Are you having an identity crisis? Take the "a" out of Maxwell & you get MX. George (aka; Ricky) --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------- Wow dicky, you figured that out all on your own? Take the G out of George or the R out of ricky, and you still have a dumb ass. An take the asshole out of MAxie and you got nothing. Bertie Not true, take the asshole out of anything, and you would be holding a Baby Bertie. Ah, more IKYABWAI lames.. C'mon maxie at least try to makeit a little bit interesting. Bertie |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
§ñühw¤£f wrote in
: In message , Bob Officer wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: §ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw- : Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 @news.motzarella.org: §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Excellent. I'll sign on for a course. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam No! Hell no! And what pray tell is wrong with steam? Steam locomotives? Everything. Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here! Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive? Not while its running. They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy. (usually about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power) Yeap. Coal fired mostly. Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf. and suffered breathing problems. My granpa was one Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who the **** I was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff. Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads with more than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten years ago the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and started a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too late. YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt **** & moan about the conditions. Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and 2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab. Ever seen a track weasel? Mm, no. I seem to remeber hearing the term, though. What is it? ^_^ -- "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people y gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden surpations.... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have bec me the instruments of tyranny at home." -James Madison |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:33:38 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
§ñühw¤£f got double secret probation for writing: Aratzio pinched out a steaming pile : On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:24:17 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f got double secret probation for writing: Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. We gots ours! http://www.airshipventures.com Was watching it a few months ago doing patterns around Moffet field. Nice. Blimps do lousy in adverse wind conditions but who needs to travel anyway wehn teh weather is bad? ^_^ They fly a dirigible. Check out the placement of the engines. |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Eeyore wrote in
: George wrote: How about the hijacked jet that crashed off the Atlantic? And what jet would that be? See? Bertie |
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Turboprops
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. . "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in : "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... Nope, i just like watching you bitch and moan. It's a bit like watching a turtle turned on it's back. Bertie At least you have a grip on your own situation. Awww, another IKYABWAI poast. C'mon Maxie a bit of effort here please. Bertie Effort? What, you wanna play Squirty the ****Drip again? Well, if you want to be ****ed on again, not a lot i can do to stop that. Bertie |
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