Transporting O2 safely

Time to get a refill on my "J" size O2 cylinder.
I usually build a cradle out of 4x4 so it can't roll and something at
the ends to keep it from sliding. This goes in the back of the
Explorer.
Anyone have a better scheme for moving a full cylinder? Mike

"Michael Horowitz" wrote in message
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Time to get a refill on my "J" size O2 cylinder.
I usually build a cradle out of 4x4 so it can't roll and something at
the ends to keep it from sliding. This goes in the back of the
Explorer.
Anyone have a better scheme for moving a full cylinder? Mike


They are really supposed to be moved upright, only. Do you have a utility
trailer that you could chain it into the corner? Chain is also the supposed
requirement over rope or bungee cords.
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Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Michael Horowitz" wrote in message
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Time to get a refill on my "J" size O2 cylinder.
I usually build a cradle out of 4x4 so it can't roll and something at
the ends to keep it from sliding. This goes in the back of the
Explorer.
Anyone have a better scheme for moving a full cylinder? Mike


They are really supposed to be moved upright, only. Do you have a utility
trailer that you could chain it into the corner? Chain is also the
supposed requirement over rope or bungee cords.
--
Jim in NC

Jim,

Why does a J size oxygen bottle need to be transported upright? Is the
something different about the J bottle then the FAA approved "F" bottle
horizontal mount in my glider? Or the multiple welding size bottles that
are mounted horizontal on a trailer at a recent FBO I visited?
http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.phtml?...prd_group_id=8

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
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"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Michael Horowitz" wrote in message
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Time to get a refill on my "J" size O2 cylinder.
I usually build a cradle out of 4x4 so it can't roll and something at
the ends to keep it from sliding. This goes in the back of the
Explorer.
Anyone have a better scheme for moving a full cylinder? Mike


They are really supposed to be moved upright, only. Do you have a
utility trailer that you could chain it into the corner? Chain is also
the supposed requirement over rope or bungee cords.
--
Jim in NC

Jim,

Why does a J size oxygen bottle need to be transported upright? Is the
something different about the J bottle then the FAA approved "F" bottle
horizontal mount in my glider? Or the multiple welding size bottles that
are mounted horizontal on a trailer at a recent FBO I visited?
http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.phtml?...prd_group_id=8


My supplier claims it's a Federal DOT requirement for motor vehicles. So
their employees will not load a vehicle that cannot be loaded vertically.
But they have never stopped me (or anyone else) from loading one myself,
laying down in my pick-up. This goes for all gasses. Ox, Argon, Nitrogen,
CO2, Acty.

"Wayne Paul" wrote

Jim,

Why does a J size oxygen bottle need to be transported upright? Is the
something different about the J bottle then the FAA approved "F" bottle
horizontal mount in my glider? Or the multiple welding size bottles that
are mounted horizontal on a trailer at a recent FBO I visited?
http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.phtml?...prd_group_id=8

All good questions, but the kicker is that it is DOT regulations for
transporting bottles over the road. Your plane and the FBO carts are not on
the road.

I've just spent close to an hour looking for a reg to cite, but you know how
it goes; when you want to find something specific on the web, you find
everything but.....

Still, I'm pretty sure it exists. I was able to find regs (OSHA) that
requires upright transport and use, but not any DOT regs.

If anyone knows of a reg and how to find it, I would like to see it, or if
you know of an exception that allows horizontal transport of compressed gas
bottles, I'd like to see that, too.
--
Jim in NC

I thought it was just acetelyne that needs to go upright or be upright
for 1/2 an hour before using. Oxygen can transport any way you please.
In my area all the gas companies deliver.


"Michael Horowitz" wrote in message
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Time to get a refill on my "J" size O2 cylinder.
I usually build a cradle out of 4x4 so it can't roll and something at
the ends to keep it from sliding. This goes in the back of the
Explorer.
Anyone have a better scheme for moving a full cylinder? Mike


They are really supposed to be moved upright, only. Do you have a utility
trailer that you could chain it into the corner? Chain is also the supposed
requirement over rope or bungee cords.
--
Jim in NC

"Drew Dalgleish" wrote in message
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I thought it was just acetelyne that needs to go upright or be upright
for 1/2 an hour before using. Oxygen can transport any way you please.
In my area all the gas companies deliver.

It does say that they have to be secured somehow, or in a rack.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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It does say that they have to be secured somehow, or in a rack.

That's so's we don't knock them over with our fire streams and bust their
little heads off. Picture it. Firefighter crawls into burning room. Opens
nozzle. Tanks falls away from him. Valve busts off when it hits floor. Tanks
returns favor back at firefighter. Ouch!

Did you se the Mythbusters episode where they decapitated a cylinder and it
whooshed through the concrete block wall?

Other than that, the reason to use an Acetylene cylinder while upright is
that the Acetylene is dissolved in Acetone which is then infused in
diatamacious earth within the tank. If used in anything but a vertical
position, the Acetone may escape through the piping and hose.

See
http://www.airproducts.com/nr/rdonly...0/safety13.pdf

Rich S.

Rich S. wrote:
"Morgans" wrote in message
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It does say that they have to be secured somehow, or in a rack.

That's so's we don't knock them over with our fire streams and bust their
little heads off. Picture it. Firefighter crawls into burning room. Opens
nozzle. Tanks falls away from him. Valve busts off when it hits floor. Tanks
returns favor back at firefighter. Ouch!

Did you se the Mythbusters episode where they decapitated a cylinder and it
whooshed through the concrete block wall?

Other than that, the reason to use an Acetylene cylinder while upright is
that the Acetylene is dissolved in Acetone which is then infused in
diatamacious earth within the tank. If used in anything but a vertical
position, the Acetone may escape through the piping and hose.

See
http://www.airproducts.com/nr/rdonly...0/safety13.pdf

Rich S.


More on acetylene---T.A. Wells,Chief Engr. for Beech, says, carryover of
acetylene into a weld will contaminate it--He also stated, leave a small
% in the cylinder to prevent rapid boil-off & carryover at the last
moment of use.

He wrote a teriffic book--Well's Manual of aircraft materials and
manufacturing processes.

Jerry

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Did you se the Mythbusters episode where they decapitated a cylinder and it
whooshed through the concrete block wall?

..airproducts.com/nr/rdonlyres/9d325c49-7c62-41e5-aa0b-8411d...

Rich S.

I saw that episode and I honestly thought it would have done alot more
damage then it did. Urban myths had tanks traveling thousands of feet
and going through poured concrete walls with ease.

Ben