Katrina fall-out

And when (not if) it is destroyed, there will be people begging the
Federal
Government to come rebuild it.

Yeah, let's only settle in places that are completely safe from natural
disaster. Why don't we make a list of such places? I'll let you start.

Let's start he

Perhaps we shouldn't allow citizens of the U.S. to build in areas that are
absolutely, positively 100% guaranteed to flood? How about we start by
not allowing people to build businesses and dwellings BELOW SEA LEVEL NEXT
TO AN OCEAN?

Crikey, man, what does it take (in your world) to prove this point?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

Perhaps we shouldn't allow citizens of the U.S. to build in areas that are
absolutely, positively 100% guaranteed to flood?

There goes most of New Jersey. I live on a 500 year flood plain myself.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"JH" == Jay Honeck writes:

JH Perhaps we shouldn't allow citizens of the U.S. to build in
JH areas that are absolutely, positively 100% guaranteed to
JH flood? How about we start by not allowing people to build
JH businesses and dwellings BELOW SEA LEVEL NEXT TO AN OCEAN?

About 25% of the Netherlands is below sea level, yet they have decided
that's an acceptable risk.

The reason might be because their decision-makers understand the
scientific/statistical principle that the statement "100% guaranteed
to flood" is meaningless. Even a statement using a number less than
100% is meaningless without a corresponding time period.

Apparently the Dutch have decided to build their levees so that their
flood return period, whatever it is (I'll guess it's over 1000 years),
is acceptable to them.

There are valid historic reasons for building near the ocean, and I'll
bet when New Orleans was started the land was not below sea level.

I saw a news clip of an interview with a US Army Corps of Engineer
general who seemed to know his stuff. According to him the levees
around NO have held in past storms up to their design. Katrina was
beyond their design strength and sure enough they failed.

Jay,

Perhaps we shouldn't allow citizens of the U.S. to build in areas that are
absolutely, positively 100% guaranteed to flood? How about we start by
not allowing people to build businesses and dwellings BELOW SEA LEVEL NEXT
TO AN OCEAN?


You cannot seriously be that naive. Well, it seems you can.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Jay Honeck opined

And when (not if) it is destroyed, there will be people begging the
Federal
Government to come rebuild it.

Yeah, let's only settle in places that are completely safe from natural
disaster. Why don't we make a list of such places? I'll let you start.

Let's start he

Perhaps we shouldn't allow citizens of the U.S. to build in areas that are
absolutely, positively 100% guaranteed to flood? How about we start by
not allowing people to build businesses and dwellings BELOW SEA LEVEL NEXT
TO AN OCEAN?

It's (was) a free country... All we have to do is not to subsidise them or
(with warning) not to rescue them in case of disaster. If they still want to
build there is still the Darwin Awards.

Crikey, man, what does it take (in your world) to prove this point?




-ash
Cthulhu in 2005!
Why wait for nature?

in article hFNSe.327488$xm3.129114@attbi_s21, Jay Honeck at
wrote on 9/4/05 7:00 PM:

And when (not if) it is destroyed, there will be people begging the
Federal
Government to come rebuild it.

Yeah, let's only settle in places that are completely safe from natural
disaster. Why don't we make a list of such places? I'll let you start.

Let's start he

Perhaps we shouldn't allow citizens of the U.S. to build in areas that are
absolutely, positively 100% guaranteed to flood? How about we start by
not allowing people to build businesses and dwellings BELOW SEA LEVEL NEXT
TO AN OCEAN?

Crikey, man, what does it take (in your world) to prove this point?

You know, the irony of all this is what set me off about your attitude to
begin with--mostly memories of the '93 Mississippi floods (including Iowa
City) and all the nonsense that was said at that time--"What do these people
expect? They live in a flood plain, for heaven's sake!"

Remember those people, Jay? All those smug jackasses who wondered how anyone
could live next to a river that was absolutely, positively 100% guaranteed
to flood? I wonder how many of them were from New Orleans?

I wonder if the insurance companies (and the federal government) will
FINALLY wake up to the fact that building permanent structures below
sea-level in a hurricane zone is folly?

It is time for the federal government to tell local and state
governments that federal tax dollars will no longer be spent to rebuild
in areas like coastal plains (flooding, storm surge), river valleys
(flooding), earthquake faults (self explanatory), unstable hillsides
(mud slides), etc., which are zoned residential.

In the case of NO, the city is a vital deepwater port at the mouth of a huge
river that accesses a huge portion of the country. It pretty much has to be
where it is.

Mike
MU-2


"john smith" wrote in message
. ..
I wonder if the insurance companies (and the federal government) will
FINALLY wake up to the fact that building permanent structures below
sea-level in a hurricane zone is folly?

It is time for the federal government to tell local and state governments
that federal tax dollars will no longer be spent to rebuild in areas like
coastal plains (flooding, storm surge), river valleys (flooding),
earthquake faults (self explanatory), unstable hillsides (mud slides),
etc., which are zoned residential.

Mike Rapoport wrote in message ...
In the case of NO, the city is a vital deepwater port at the mouth of a
huge
river that accesses a huge portion of the country. It pretty much has to
be
where it is.

Some sort of port, certainly, but maybe not the whole city as it has
existed.

- Rick

It looks like Katrina is going to affect NASA's planned March Space
Shuttle launch:


Hurricane Katrina has indefinitely idled the Louisiana factory
that assembles space shuttle fuel tanks, and NASA said it is
looking to see if other facilities can make critical tank
repairs. NASA had tentatively planned its next shuttle mission
for March, but additional delays were likely due to
interruptions in the tank repair work that must be done before
the shuttle can fly again. The agency was primarily focused on
trying to find the employees and contractors who work at the
assembly plant in Louisiana, as well as a field center in
Mississippi where space shuttle engines are tested. Both sites
were in the path of Hurricane Katrina, which destroyed huge
sections of the U.S. Gulf Coast when it blasted ashore with 145
mph (232 kph) winds on Monday. NASA's Michoud Assembly Facility
near New Orleans and the Stennis Space Center in Bay St. Louis,
Miss., appear to have sustained roof and water damage in the
storm. Neither was expected to resume operations soon. Roads to
Michoud were still under water and hundreds of people employed
by plant operator LOCKHEED MARTIN lost their homes in the
hurricane.
(Reuters 03:57 PM ET 09/02/2005)

Mo
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