Lancair Legacy

On 30 Oct 2006 21:38:13 -0800, "abripl" wrote:

Hey Bill,

Do I detect some humor here?

Most of us are concerned with general fuel savings - not just for our
own

I bought the Deb to play. I'm building the G-III to play.
The only time it runs under 75% is when maneuvering, practicing,
rought air, or landing.

immediate savings. But you know that higher general consumption results
in higher prices at the pumps which means the poor guys (most of us)
indirectly pay for the "enjoyment" of those with lots of money. So
let's have
prudent enjoyment.

I leave the 18 mpg SUV home and drive my wife's 48 mpg Prius. I only
drive the 4 Runner when I need to haul something messy, or she's gone
with her car. So even if I take a trip and run the Deb for all she's
worth I still save gas.


Badwater Bill wrote:
Oh come on you guys, you can't justify any of this. These modern,
expensive airplanes are no different that owning a boat or even a Lear
Jet.

It's not a neccesity, it's not something required to enjoy life. If
you can't own it and just go burn all the gas you want to burn through
it, you shouldn't even get it. Anyway, that's the way I feel.

I didn't buy it so I could get 20 mpg out of it. It's just
interesting that I do. ...............
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger (K8RI) wrote:
I leave the 18 mpg SUV home and drive my wife's 48 mpg Prius. I only
drive the 4 Runner when I need to haul something messy, or she's gone
with her car. So even if I take a trip and run the Deb for all she's
worth I still save gas.

Now all I need is to buy a second larger plane for ocasional larger
hauling or when my wife wants to fly separately at same time. Otherwise
of course I will use my smaller canard for most flying.

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:37:40 -0800, Badwater Bill
wrote:


In the RV-6 it would have
been an hour and a half. No big difference on that short trip. But,
if I fly the RV-6 from here to Seattle to visit my buddy John Ammeter,
I'm looking at about 5.5 hours. I'm going to be pretty tired after
that. In the Lancair, it's only about 3.5. That makes a big
difference.

Badwater Bill



You currently own an RV-6?
Didn't you sell the one you owned a few years ago?
Something to do with how you couldn't cost justify keeping it?

IIRC -
The time frame was about the same time you were telling us about your
adventures in Viet Nam - complete with confirming pictures on your web
site. You know... the ones that you finally admitted were taken in New
England or some such stateside place. )

Well if I didn't know better I'd swear that Taduz Lemke brushed your
cheek and said "Faster".

Very nice!


Joaquin wrote:
Check out my Lancair Legacy at:

http://www.geocities.com/bwbpilot/

There's a link to my gyrocopter page too. Have fun. I did a test
flight today in this Lancai I flew from Las Vegas to Lake Tahoe and
back in a couple hours. At 8000 feet in this normally aspirated
Continental IO-550-M, burning 13.5 gallons/hr, my TAS was right at 230
knots or 265 mph. I had Martin Heisler and Pat O'Brian help me build
it. Martin is the builder of record. The, the more I fly it the more
I love it. Once you see this website, you will realize how hard it's
going to be to part with it and go back to my RV-6 which is right at
80 mph slower and almost the same gas mileage.

This Lancair burns 13.5 gal at 265 mph or about 20 miles per gallon.
Of course I can back all that off to 11 gal/hr at about 240 mph or
21.8 miles/gal.

The RV-6 goes 185 mph with one mag replaced by Klaus's plasma.
ignition system and burns about 8 gallons through an O-320-E2D. That's
right at: 23 miles per gallon. That's hard to justify in my mind ...I
mean slow down by 55 mph to save 2 miles per gallon.

I fly the Lancair at about 22 inches, and 2350 rpm at 8000 msl to
10,000 msl. That puts me in the range of 260-270 mph TAS. Of course
you play the winds and today I was flying at 10k msl and the Garmin
430 was reading out 260 knots...right at 300 mph on 21.5 inches MP and
2400 rpm with a fuel burn of right at 13.5 gal/hr. My real mpg today
was: 22.2.

The RV-6 and the Lancair are so similar in fuel burn per mile it's a
non issue really. It's just that the RV-6 is a $60,000 airplane and
the Lancair is a $315,000 airplane, full IFR, autopilot, with all the
whistles and bells.

I love this airplane. You'll see from the webpage I spared no money
in hiring the people I did to do the interior, paint, polish the parts
and put the right instruments in it. I love that S-Tech autopilot. I
was flying it today listening to the Opra music of Evita of Argentina
as I flew over 300 miles in an hour-hands off through clouds and
rainbows over the Sierra Nevada Mountain range to Tahoe and back.

Juaqin Murrietta

On 31 Oct 2006 17:42:26 -0800, "abripl" wrote:


Roger (K8RI) wrote:
I leave the 18 mpg SUV home and drive my wife's 48 mpg Prius. I only
drive the 4 Runner when I need to haul something messy, or she's gone
with her car. So even if I take a trip and run the Deb for all she's
worth I still save gas.

Now all I need is to buy a second larger plane for ocasional larger
hauling or when my wife wants to fly separately at same time. Otherwise
of course I will use my smaller canard for most flying.

Hmmm... I only have one and a quarter airplanes. I'm not even half way
there yet and the G-III will have a larger engine than the old Deb.
OTH it should go a lot farther on the same gas.

BTW I see some environmental groups are pushing for the elimination of
lead in Avgas. Then I won't be able to use either engine.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Joaquin wrote:

Check out my Lancair Legacy at:

http://www.geocities.com/bwbpilot

So Bill, you didn't opt for one of Martin's superchargers? I wrote to you
in another post that Martin was supposed to share his boudin and crawfish
stuffed deboned chicken with y'all that I brought out there from
Louisiana...

"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
BTW I see some environmental groups are pushing for the elimination of
lead in Avgas. Then I won't be able to use either engine.

Reset the timing and use different power settings. Some parts of the world
already don't have avgas (and no FAA to stifle experimenting).

D.

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 02:28:45 GMT, "Capt.Doug"
wrote:

"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
BTW I see some environmental groups are pushing for the elimination of
lead in Avgas. Then I won't be able to use either engine.

Reset the timing and use different power settings. Some parts of the world
already don't have avgas (and no FAA to stifle experimenting).

With that high compression engine? You can't even get an STC for an
alternative fuel.



D.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger (K8RI) wrote:
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 02:28:45 GMT, "Capt.Doug"
wrote:

"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
BTW I see some environmental groups are pushing for the elimination of
lead in Avgas. Then I won't be able to use either engine.

Reset the timing and use different power settings. Some parts of the world
already don't have avgas (and no FAA to stifle experimenting).

With that high compression engine? You can't even get an STC for an
alternative fuel.

Time to get GAMI back on the stick and get PRISM certified. Then your
engine would run on Jet-A okay. Trouble is, with their new contracts
with Cirrus, I'm afraid PRISM is small potatoes on the back burner.

"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
With that high compression engine? You can't even get an STC for an
alternative fuel.

Where STCs are not a consideration, high RPMs and less than full MAP can
allow the use of autogas. Performance may take a hit, and sometimes timing
must be retarded for the turbocharged engines, but it works. I ran autogas
in my first Aztec (NOT US registered!!!!!!) for years. The only difference
was that I had to turn on the boost pumps on above 7000' for vapor lock.

D.