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Leasehold hangars and content restrictions
Tony Cox wrote: At my home airport, we have a new airport manager who seems to be on a mission to eradicate anything but aircraft from leasehold hangars. He claims to have discovered FAA support for this position during his "on the job" training -- he is not a pilot, and has no prior aviation experience -- but he cannot come up with anything written. We pilots are, naturally, rather skeptical that the FAA has expressed an opinion one way or another. Hangars are all owner-financed (no FAA money), typically originally with a 30 year lease. It's a municipal airport, exclusively civilian use, and has in the past been the recipient of FAA grant money and will no doubt receive additional FAA funds in the future. There are roughly 100 "private" hangars (not commercial) at the airport. We're not a pt 139 airport -- some pt 135 sightseeing flights & that's all. Does anyone have any experience with airport managers, and/or rules and regulations that restrict what one can store in one's hangar? Our pilot community is concerned that our lifestyle is under threat -- historically, people have stored cars, RVs, boats, tables, chairs, sofas and all manner of toys and comfort items along with aircraft. Perhaps there is even someone out there who has a definitive ruling from the local FSDO... Our airport went through that a few years ago. I can't come up with the reg's, but my understanding is that property on a federally funded airport must be used for aviation related themes. We had people using hangars as workshops for their auto racing teams, people storing boats, etc. If you have an aircraft in the hangar, the airport doesn't have any problem with you storing odds and ends there in addition to the aircraft. KB |
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Leasehold hangars and content restrictions
Robert M. Gary wrote: They have. Every airport in my area has had to extract the non-airplane users of hangers as part of the federal grants. There's no federal grants that require hangar owners to take their couch out of the hangar. Likewise storing an additional car or boat or putting your car in the hangar while you are on a trip. No way, no how. |
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Robert M. Gary wrote: Tony Cox wrote: "Newps" wrote in message ... No such rule. The FAA would never get into this area. That's what we think. But how do you prove it to a skeptical City Council, especially when Blakely announces at Oshkosh that the FAA is going to "crack down on hangar misuse" ?? They have. Every airport in my area has had to extract the non-airplane users of hangers as part of the federal grants. However, I believe you said the airport hasn't taken federal money. The airport *has* taken FAA money for various things (an ASOS, runway lights, new taxiways), but the hangars themselves were constructed (between 8 and 15 years ago) with private funds. Further, if you did, the feds would require you to kick them out so you'd need to have a lease agreement that allowed for that. I hope your leases at least expire. Actually, we're hoping that they don't ;-)... |
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Leasehold hangars and content restrictions
As long as there is an aircraft in the hanger, you should be able to store
other items that you personally own. Some airports are pushing against RVs, Cars and Boats and household junk. But most will lean over if there is an airplane in the hanger. It makes no difference if the hangers are personally built and owned. They are sitting on airport property where you probably pay a lease for ground use and the airport has FAA Money. The Airport could loose future funding and have to pay back previous funding if they continued to allow non aviation use of airport property. BT "Tony Cox" wrote in message oups.com... At my home airport, we have a new airport manager who seems to be on a mission to eradicate anything but aircraft from leasehold hangars. He claims to have discovered FAA support for this position during his "on the job" training -- he is not a pilot, and has no prior aviation experience -- but he cannot come up with anything written. We pilots are, naturally, rather skeptical that the FAA has expressed an opinion one way or another. Hangars are all owner-financed (no FAA money), typically originally with a 30 year lease. It's a municipal airport, exclusively civilian use, and has in the past been the recipient of FAA grant money and will no doubt receive additional FAA funds in the future. There are roughly 100 "private" hangars (not commercial) at the airport. We're not a pt 139 airport -- some pt 135 sightseeing flights & that's all. Does anyone have any experience with airport managers, and/or rules and regulations that restrict what one can store in one's hangar? Our pilot community is concerned that our lifestyle is under threat -- historically, people have stored cars, RVs, boats, tables, chairs, sofas and all manner of toys and comfort items along with aircraft. Perhaps there is even someone out there who has a definitive ruling from the local FSDO... |
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Our airport went through that a few years ago. I can't come up with the
reg's, but my understanding is that property on a federally funded airport must be used for aviation related themes. We had people using hangars as workshops for their auto racing teams, people storing boats, etc. If you have an aircraft in the hangar, the airport doesn't have any problem with you storing odds and ends there in addition to the aircraft. That's the same approach our airport takes, and I think it's appropriate. Heck, we've got a TON of stuff in our hangar, and no one cares -- just so long as we keep an airplane in there, too. For a while, we had a guy storing used hospital equipment in a hangar. He also had another hangar in which he kept his plane(s). Every year, he would ship all of this used hospital equipment to Nicaraugua, or Haiti, or some other incredibly needy place, all at his own expense. Although it was a wonderfully charitable thing to do, eventually he ran afoul of the "must have an airplane in the hangar" rule, and he removed all the stuff. It was an ugly political thing, though. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Newps wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: They have. Every airport in my area has had to extract the non-airplane users of hangers as part of the federal grants. There's no federal grants that require hangar owners to take their couch out of the hangar. Likewise storing an additional car or boat or putting your car in the hangar while you are on a trip. No way, no how. I'm not sure what your point is. The federal grant requires there be some airport use for the hanger. non-airplane users certainly don't qualify. You have to at least have an airplane. -Robert |
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Tony Cox wrote:
At my home airport, we have a new airport manager who seems to be on a mission to eradicate anything but aircraft from leasehold hangars. He claims to have discovered FAA support for this position during his "on the job" training -- he is not a pilot, and has no prior aviation experience -- but he cannot come up with anything written. We pilots are, naturally, rather skeptical that the FAA has expressed an opinion one way or another. Hangars are all owner-financed (no FAA money), typically originally with a 30 year lease. It's a municipal airport, exclusively civilian use, and has in the past been the recipient of FAA grant money and will no doubt receive additional FAA funds in the future. There are roughly 100 "private" hangars (not commercial) at the airport. We're not a pt 139 airport -- some pt 135 sightseeing flights & that's all. Does anyone have any experience with airport managers, and/or rules and regulations that restrict what one can store in one's hangar? Our pilot community is concerned that our lifestyle is under threat -- historically, people have stored cars, RVs, boats, tables, chairs, sofas and all manner of toys and comfort items along with aircraft. Perhaps there is even someone out there who has a definitive ruling from the local FSDO... Don't know about regs, but at my airport (privately owned but has taken Federal money) you can put anything you want in the space under the condition that airplanes have absolute priority. That is, you can rent a hanger and put an RV in there, but if someone comes along looking for a hanger for an airplane, you have to immediately vacate for the airplane owner. There is a waiting list for enclosed hangers but numerous shade hangers are open, so only the shade hangers have any non-airplane renters. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in
ups.com: Although it was a wonderfully charitable thing to do, eventually he ran afoul of the "must have an airplane in the hangar" rule, and he removed all the stuff. It was an ugly political thing, though. Not so sure Jay it's an ugly thing... Considering there is a 2 to 3 year wait for hangar space at my own airport, I'd not be a happy camper to know that a hanger was used for storing "paper" when my plane could enjoy the comforts of a hangar. Allen |
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Leasehold hangars and content restrictions
Tony Cox wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with airport managers, and/or rules and regulations that restrict what one can store in one's hangar? Our pilot community is concerned that our lifestyle is under threat -- historically, people have stored cars, RVs, boats, tables, chairs, sofas and all manner of toys and comfort items along with aircraft. Perhaps there is even someone out there who has a definitive ruling from the local FSDO... Has nothing to do with the FSDO. The airport exists for aviation. The airport has a right to insure the proper usage of the property will promote aviation and aircraft operations. On the other hand, if they granted someone a long term lease to build a hangar on the property and the lease does not state that the hangar is to be used for an airplane and/or aviation related activites then that's a different story. |
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Leasehold hangars and content restrictions
Don Tuite wrote:
There's a 20 year waiting list at our airport. These are county-built hangars. Guys on the list with working airplanes seem happy to have the airport manager evict people who use their hangars for storage lockers. Any airport that thinks it is a good idea to lease their hangars out to people who are using them to store furniture in is not serious about aviation. |
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