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An open letter to Tom Poberezny
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An open letter to Tom Poberezny
Oh, you guyz gotta read this. It is (you should pardon the expression) a
hoot(er). The hell of it is, he might just have more than a grain of truth in it. Jim -- "Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." --James Dean wrote in message oups.com... http://www.john-ross.net/osh2.htm |
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An open letter to Tom Poberezny
RST Engineering wrote:
Oh, you guyz gotta read this. It is (you should pardon the expression) a hoot(er). The hell of it is, he might just have more than a grain of truth in it. I've seen guys desperate for a date do some weird stuff, but this ranks right up there! Matt |
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An open letter to Tom Poberezny
"RST Engineering" wrote in message
... Oh, you guyz gotta read this. It is (you should pardon the expression) a hoot(er). The hell of it is, he might just have more than a grain of truth in it. I believe I have a tear in my eye. That is so . . so . . REAL! Rich S. |
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An open letter to Tom Poberezny
I sincerely hope this is a joke. At least part of it. I agree that theEAA
posture about the Young Eagles has been focussed on the quantity of people flown. I wonder if anyone has done a follow up to see just how effective that thing is in generating aviators. I mean would those aviators attributed to the Young Eagles program been aviators anyway? Did the Young Eagles program really change the direction of some individuals? I don't doubt that there were some examples of this but what kind of effectiveness is involved. What is the ratio of actual re-directed individuals to the total number flown. On the other issue raised by Mr.Ross, If EAA expands Oshkosh much more to non-aviation things, like jet powered trucks, Ford cars, Honda generators, John Deer Tractors and now Hooters and some kind of dating game business? I've already asked them to consider relinquishing the title Experimental Aviation Association as they need to rename it more appropriately. The focus of Oshkosh has been trending away from the experimental side of the EAA. Also the magazine has lost some meat even though it has gotten bigger. One year, I think it was 2005, the Oshkosh video sold by EAA did not even mention experimental aviation, with the exception of some Rutan space flight data. It did not mention the awards, it only had some Mooney and Piper aircraft at Oshkosh mentioned. Besides there are a bunch of experimental aviation nuts that would like to use that title. EAA and its title is a bit like the US and its constitution. We got it but it doesn't mean what it used to anymore. -- Stuart & Kathryn Fields, Publishers Experimental Helo magazine P. O. Box 1585 Inyokern, CA 93527 (760) 377-4478 ph (760) 408-9747 publication cell (760) 608-1299 technical cell www.experimentalhelo.com www.vkss.com "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... RST Engineering wrote: Oh, you guyz gotta read this. It is (you should pardon the expression) a hoot(er). The hell of it is, he might just have more than a grain of truth in it. I've seen guys desperate for a date do some weird stuff, but this ranks right up there! Matt |
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An open letter to Tom Poberezny
"RST Engineering" wrote in message
... Oh, you guyz gotta read this. It is (you should pardon the expression) a hoot(er). The hell of it is, he might just have more than a grain of truth in it. Jim -- A grain???? He has hit the nail squarely and firmly on the head, and seated it securely with a single stroke! Peter (Actually the Tri-Motor is a bit over-the-top;but, what the heck...) |
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An open letter to Tom Poberezny
RST Engineering wrote:
Oh, you guyz gotta read this. It is (you should pardon the expression) a hoot(er). The hell of it is, he might just have more than a grain of truth in it. Jim John Ross has posted to RAH. He has many, many fans, including many people who follow this newsgroup. Google him to find out more. Try "John Ross" + "Timothy McVeigh" and see how many hits you get. -- John Kimmel I think it will be quiet around here now. So long. |
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An open letter to Tom Poberezny
"Richard Riley" wrote in message
... On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:16:30 -0700, "RST Engineering" wrote: Oh, you guyz gotta read this. It is (you should pardon the expression) a hoot(er). The hell of it is, he might just have more than a grain of truth in it. Yes. Many (starting with PJ O'Rourke) have expounded on Babe Theory. http://www.willisms.com/archives/200...n_the_bab.html Although the OP seemed to extrapolate the Babe Theory to the Sit-Com level and beyond, he did make a couple of very valid points, with which I wholeheartedly agree: 1) We need more households where aviation is a highly regarded activity and if that means that aviation events should also function as Meet Markets; then I really don't see a problem. We will merely be making the events a little more enjoyable, the refreshment vendors will sell more sandwiches and lemonade, a few more aircraft (and parts and plans) will be sold, and there will more aviation oriented families--even if they came there together. IMHO, all of those and more are good things. 2) Young Eagles is just plain silly. I have been critical of the age group definition from the start, and have stated in my local chapter that the ages should be 16 through 25 instead of 8 through 17. Needless to say, that has not brought any agreement from my peers. However, my rationale is simply that 16 is the age at which medical certification can be issued, and therefore 16 is the age at which one can solo. Actually, there are probably some credible arguments for 15 or 18 as well; but the point is that most of the 8 through 12 year olds will find plenty of other interests before they can return for flight instruction and a single short flight will not remain that memorable for that long. BTW, I realize that Flying Start is supposed to exist for the ages of 18 and over; but I really think that the Young Eagles format would have more long term success in the older age gorups. Peter Just my $0.02 |
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An open letter to Tom Poberezny
On Jun 23, 1:52 pm, "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote:
I sincerely hope this is a joke. At least part of it. I agree that theEAA posture about the Young Eagles has been focussed on the quantity of people flown. I wonder if anyone has done a follow up to see just how effective that thing is in generating aviators. I mean would those aviators attributed to the Young Eagles program been aviators anyway? Did the Young Eagles program really change the direction of some individuals? I don't doubt that there were some examples of this but what kind of effectiveness is involved. What is the ratio of actual re-directed individuals to the total number flown. On the other issue raised by Mr.Ross, If EAA expands Oshkosh much more to non-aviation things, like jet powered trucks, Ford cars, Honda generators, John Deer Tractors and now Hooters and some kind of dating game business? I've already asked them to consider relinquishing the title Experimental Aviation Association as they need to rename it more appropriately. The focus of Oshkosh has been trending away from the experimental side of the EAA. Also the magazine has lost some meat even though it has gotten bigger. One year, I think it was 2005, the Oshkosh video sold by EAA did not even mention experimental aviation, with the exception of some Rutan space flight data. It did not mention the awards, it only had some Mooney and Piper aircraft at Oshkosh mentioned. Besides there are a bunch of experimental aviation nuts that would like to use that title. EAA and its title is a bit like the US and its constitution. We got it but it doesn't mean what it used to anymore. -- Stuart & Kathryn Fields, Publishers Experimental Helo magazine P. O. Box 1585 Inyokern, CA 93527 (760) 377-4478 ph (760) 408-9747 publication cell (760) 608-1299 technical cellwww.experimentalhelo.comwww.vkss.com "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... RST Engineering wrote: Oh, you guyz gotta read this. It is (you should pardon the expression) a hoot(er). The hell of it is, he might just have more than a grain of truth in it. I've seen guys desperate for a date do some weird stuff, but this ranks right up there! Matt- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I am going with his ideas to a point. I agree the Experimental Aircraft Assoc was formed to perpetuate the concept of someone being able to create his or hers own plane. After attending Oshkosh last year the whole show looked more like the " certified" aircraft assoc. My plane has an alternative engine in it and the EAA treats us like second class citizens. That is exactly the reverse of what it was founded on. Now I am told this years young eagle flights are to be flown in certified planes only, no experimentals allowed. They have lost their direction for sure.... Of course this is just my opinion.. And I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn express last night. G Ben www.haaspowerair.com |
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An open letter to Tom Poberezny
"Peter Dohm" wrote 2) Young Eagles is just plain silly. I have been critical of the age group definition from the start, and have stated in my local chapter that the ages should be 16 through 25 instead of 8 through 17. Needless to say, that has not brought any agreement from my peers. However, my rationale is simply that 16 is the age at which medical certification can be issued, and therefore 16 is the age at which one can solo. Actually, there are probably some credible arguments for 15 or 18 as well; but the point is that most of the 8 through 12 year olds will find plenty of other interests before they can return for flight instruction and a single short flight will not remain that memorable for that long. BTW, I realize that Flying Start is supposed to exist for the ages of 18 and over; but I really think that the Young Eagles format would have more long term success in the older age gorups. Aviation Explorers has a much better chance of growing new pilots, and has, in the unit I formerly participated in. I know of at least two of the young'uns that I used to camp with, that now are pilots, and I think there are a few more in various stages of lessons. Aviation Explorers, for those that I have not converted g, is a part of "Learning for Life," which is a loose part of Boy Scouts, without the uniforms. They are the ones that push the planes in homebuilt show planes area and Area 51 at OSH, and those over 18 also take a hand in flagging in traffic on four of the seven or eight major taxiway intersections off of 18/36 at OSH during the last weeks of July. We NEED more of these units started. Can you help in making that happen? It really is not all that difficult to do! http://www.sportys-catalogs.com/ltf/...exploring.html http://www.learning-for-life.org/exp...tion/main.html http://www.aviationexploring.org/news/index.html Bradley Bormuth (in link above) won top pilot honors, from the unit I was active in. -- Jim in NC |
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