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![]() wrote: One more mistake in the manual: among the drawings in the manual I saw only flat-nose MiG-23BM/MiG-27 version, as if large-nose variants (e.g.MiG-23MF/ML/MLD) did not exist at all. Here's the 1955 version of the same thing: http://www.kilroywashere.org/005-Pag...Recog-01-.html Watch out for the Bison/Badger mix-up. Pat |
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Paul Elliot wrote:
wrote: On 26 Kwi, 06:15, "Flashnews" wrote: Of all the attack birds the Su-22 Fitter H/G da da seems to have become the THUD of the east and is still liked by pilots in former Communist countries such as Poland that actually upgraded them. It had lots of power, carries a lot, stable as hell in bombing, adapts to all kinds of junk, handles well and maintains good. Not a digital cockpit but it was one of the best before the MiG-29 came out. Thanks for your kind words on our hardware. Actually, what Polish Air Forces still fly is Su-22M4 Fitter K. The aircraft is like a dragster lorry, needs quite a lot of space to make a turn, but indeed, can carry quite a lot. Some Japanese visitors to one of the units back in the mid-1990's were very surprised to see the only real avionics on board is... the radar. The Floggers / Fencers / Fitters and what have you have all been replaced by the Sukhoi Su-27 family and for a while the MiG-29 had trouble but now it is steaming ahead. One more mistake in the manual: among the drawings in the manual I saw only flat-nose MiG-23BM/MiG-27 version, as if large-nose variants (e.g.MiG-23MF/ML/MLD) did not exist at all. Best regards, Jacek Thanks Jacek, Are the Polish Marines still deployed to southern Iraq? They really kicked ass there! God bless them. Paul Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R* How many Iraqi children did _THEY_ slaughter? God's Creator! ( Sorry, I don't forgive ****! ) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Psstt.... Hey! --- USED GODS SALE! : --- http://www.godchecker.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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On 2 Maj, 15:28, Paul Elliot wrote:
Thanks Jacek, Are the Polish Marines still deployed to southern Iraq? They really kicked ass there! God bless them. Paul Thanks, Paul. Obviously, they are. It must be not easy for them, but I guess meeting with some Soviet-school military realities still remaining in Iraq may sometimes make feel them like home. They also have some opportunity to test their new hardware, like Rosomak armoured personnel carrier. I bet some Polish F-16s also end up there when their training ends... Best regards, Jacek |
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On May 2, 9:28 am, Paul Elliot wrote:
wrote: On 26 Kwi, 06:15, "Flashnews" wrote: Of all the attack birds the Su-22 Fitter H/G da da seems to have become the THUD of the east and is still liked by pilots in former Communist countries such as Poland that actually upgraded them. It had lots of power, carries a lot, stable as hell in bombing, adapts to all kinds of junk, handles well and maintains good. Not a digital cockpit but it was one of the best before the MiG-29 came out. Thanks for your kind words on our hardware. Actually, what Polish Air Forces still fly is Su-22M4 Fitter K. The aircraft is like a dragster lorry, needs quite a lot of space to make a turn, but indeed, can carry quite a lot. Some Japanese visitors to one of the units back in the mid-1990's were very surprised to see the only real avionics on board is... the radar. The Floggers / Fencers / Fitters and what have you have all been replaced by the Sukhoi Su-27 family and for a while the MiG-29 had trouble but now it is steaming ahead. One more mistake in the manual: among the drawings in the manual I saw only flat-nose MiG-23BM/MiG-27 version, as if large-nose variants (e.g.MiG-23MF/ML/MLD) did not exist at all. Best regards, Jacek Thanks Jacek, Are the Polish Marines still deployed to southern Iraq? They really kicked ass there! God bless them. Paul -- Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics German, the lovers French and it is all organized by the Swiss. Hell is where the police are German, the chefs British, the mechanics French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by Italians. http://new.photos.yahoo.com/paul1cart/albums/ Flag of Poland Poland - Currently, 900 non-combat troops from the 'First Warsaw Division', based at Camp Echo in Diwaniyah. Poland leads the Multi-National Division (South Central) which consists of forces from several other countries. In accordance with the decision of the former Polish Minister of Defense Jerzy Szmajdziński, the number of troops was reduced from 2,500 to 1,500 during the second half of 2005. Poland's former leftist government, which lost September 25, 2005 elections, had planned to withdraw the remaining 1,500 troops in January. However, the new defense minister, Radosław Sikorski, visited Washington on December 3 for talks on Poland's coalition plans, and Prime Minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz declared that he would decide after the Iraqi elections on December 15, whether to extend its troops' mandate beyond December 31.[18] On Tuesday 22 December, Prime Minister Marcinkiewicz announced that he had asked President Lech Kaczyński to keep Polish troops in Iraq for another year, calling it "a very difficult decision."[19] On January 5, 2006, Polish troops handed over control of the central Babil province to U.S. troops and decided to remain on bases in Kut and Diwaniyah for the remainder of their mandate,[20] cutting their contingent from 1,500 troops to 900 troops two months later,[21] and switching their main objective from patrolling their sector to the training of Iraqi security forces. Poland has lost 20 soldiers in Iraq: 14 in bombings or ambushes and 6 in various accidents. In July 2004, Al Zarqawi released a statement threatening Japan, Poland and Bulgaria over their troop deployments. He demanded of the Polish government 'Pull your troops out of Iraq or you will hear the sounds of explosions that will hit your country.' Hours later Prime Minister Marek Belka denied, and deputy Defence Minister Janusz Zemke said pulling out would be a 'terrible mistake.' Wiki Multinational force |
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This is what in thought was so cool and so pragmatic and so Russian. In
one of the Su-22's that landed in Pakistan by a defector during the border war with Pakistan the cockpit had been "upgraded" to handle precision guided bombs utilizing TV imagery being fed to the "scope" mounted on the right side of the cockpit. Now the pilot had to guide the munitions (like our old Bullpup from Vietnam days) into the target as he drove down the bombing run and of course the most important factor for his was "where is the ground - or what is his altitude". Now we are not talking about digital displays or HUD's so the good Sukhoi design team just conveniently located a second altimeter right their under the TV... worked real nice. Now the Su-22 was a swing wing jet - old question on the thread - which way did the manual wing sweep work - (1) the bomber way - wings back, lever back as in F-111, MiG-23/27, Mirage G, or (2) the fighter way - wing lever forward to put wings back to match adding power with throttle as with F-14 and B-1. The Su-22 did neither - it was a lock set, but the lever back moved the wings back. Yet it still has the best "feel" of all the Russian jets - more like a Phantom and shares the strong rudders wrote in message oups.com... On 26 Kwi, 06:15, "Flashnews" wrote: Of all the attack birds the Su-22 Fitter H/G da da seems to have become the THUD of the east and is still liked by pilots in former Communist countries such as Poland that actually upgraded them. It had lots of power, carries a lot, stable as hell in bombing, adapts to all kinds of junk, handles well and maintains good. Not a digital cockpit but it was one of the best before the MiG-29 came out. Thanks for your kind words on our hardware. Actually, what Polish Air Forces still fly is Su-22M4 Fitter K. The aircraft is like a dragster lorry, needs quite a lot of space to make a turn, but indeed, can carry quite a lot. Some Japanese visitors to one of the units back in the mid-1990's were very surprised to see the only real avionics on board is... the radar. The Floggers / Fencers / Fitters and what have you have all been replaced by the Sukhoi Su-27 family and for a while the MiG-29 had trouble but now it is steaming ahead. One more mistake in the manual: among the drawings in the manual I saw only flat-nose MiG-23BM/MiG-27 version, as if large-nose variants (e.g.MiG-23MF/ML/MLD) did not exist at all. Best regards, Jacek |
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Afghanistan and Central Asia guys - Iraq is an American war and NATO
will never let us forget it wrote in message oups.com... On 2 Maj, 15:28, Paul Elliot wrote: Thanks Jacek, Are the Polish Marines still deployed to southern Iraq? They really kicked ass there! God bless them. Paul Thanks, Paul. Obviously, they are. It must be not easy for them, but I guess meeting with some Soviet-school military realities still remaining in Iraq may sometimes make feel them like home. They also have some opportunity to test their new hardware, like Rosomak armoured personnel carrier. I bet some Polish F-16s also end up there when their training ends... Best regards, Jacek |
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![]() "Daryl Hunt" wrote ... Speaking of Doofus's and you show up. One person already showed two links that they were around as camera ships in the Actives up until 1959. But don't let the facts get in the way of becoming a contributing member of the 404thk00ks. You live it down well. No, they haven't. There were, unless you can find a competent cite, one with any hint of factual nature, no P-38 derived photo birds in service in 1959 or in the years immediastely preceding. You don't seem to comprehend that P-38s were quick to leave the service because there were in inventory, both for conventional and photo missions literally thousands of more capable a/c gathering dust until Korea, and even Korea's needs were not great enough to summon elderly photo birds with less speed and range than the P-51 derivatives used for low altitude work. As late as 1957, there may have been a couple of TB-25s around for station "hack" service in the Training Command, and B-26s (NA, Not Martin), were still in ANG service (and used by the CIA/Cuban force strikes connected with the Bay of Pigs), but you're going to have to "show" us P-38s somewhere other than in your agaonized dreams before anybody will believe you... To say that you are full of **** remains grotesque understaement. You're simply clueless, fallen well over the edge into "wackodom". You ought to be ashamed of yourself (in fact, probably would be, were you not too simple minded to comprehend that you've been emabarrassed so often as to have all potential credibility. TMO |
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On May 3, 10:55 am, "TMOliver" wrote:
"Daryl Hunt" wrote ... Speaking of Doofus's and you show up. One person already showed two links that they were around as camera ships in the Actives up until 1959. But don't let the facts get in the way of becoming a contributing member of the 404thk00ks. You live it down well. No, they haven't. There were, unless you can find a competent cite, one with any hint of factual nature, no P-38 derived photo birds in service in 1959 or in the years immediastely preceding. You don't seem to comprehend that P-38s were quick to leave the service because there were in inventory, both for conventional and photo missions literally thousands of more capable a/c gathering dust until Korea, and even Korea's needs were not great enough to summon elderly photo birds with less speed and range than the P-51 derivatives used for low altitude work. As late as 1957, there may have been a couple of TB-25s around for station "hack" service in the Training Command, and B-26s (NA, Not Martin), were still in ANG service (and used by the CIA/Cuban force strikes connected with the Bay of Pigs), but you're going to have to "show" us P-38s somewhere other than in your agaonized dreams before anybody will believe you... To say that you are full of **** remains grotesque understaement. You're simply clueless, fallen well over the edge into "wackodom". You ought to be ashamed of yourself (in fact, probably would be, were you not too simple minded to comprehend that you've been emabarrassed so often as to have all potential credibility. TMO http://www.p-38online.com/recon.html A quick and logical explanation for the death of the P-38, P-4 and P-5 was the birth of the U-2. Hardly likely that two such systems, especially with the U-2's superior altitude performance, would co- exist. |
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Jack Linthicum wrote:
On May 3, 10:55 am, "TMOliver" wrote: "Daryl Hunt" wrote ... Speaking of Doofus's and you show up. One person already showed two links that they were around as camera ships in the Actives up until 1959. But don't let the facts get in the way of becoming a contributing member of the 404thk00ks. You live it down well. No, they haven't. There were, unless you can find a competent cite, one with any hint of factual nature, no P-38 derived photo birds in service in 1959 or in the years immediastely preceding. You don't seem to comprehend that P-38s were quick to leave the service because there were in inventory, both for conventional and photo missions literally thousands of more capable a/c gathering dust until Korea, and even Korea's needs were not great enough to summon elderly photo birds with less speed and range than the P-51 derivatives used for low altitude work. As late as 1957, there may have been a couple of TB-25s around for station "hack" service in the Training Command, and B-26s (NA, Not Martin), were still in ANG service (and used by the CIA/Cuban force strikes connected with the Bay of Pigs), but you're going to have to "show" us P-38s somewhere other than in your agaonized dreams before anybody will believe you... To say that you are full of **** remains grotesque understaement. You're simply clueless, fallen well over the edge into "wackodom". You ought to be ashamed of yourself (in fact, probably would be, were you not too simple minded to comprehend that you've been emabarrassed so often as to have all potential credibility. TMO http://www.p-38online.com/recon.html A quick and logical explanation for the death of the P-38, P-4 and P-5 was the birth of the U-2. Hardly likely that two such systems, especially with the U-2's superior altitude performance, would co- exist. not really The U2 was not suited for battlefield reconnaissance. USAF tried the Canberra but it was a failure and then the RB-66 derived from the skywarrior which was a success Vince |
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