"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton

"Thomas Borchert" wrote
Creationist - We have no idea what was in the beginning, so we make up
this cozy feeling fairy tale with a bearded guy in it, then we go and
kill or oppress people by the gazillions supposedly in the name of that
guy, but really for our personal gain, be it economic, political or
otherwise.

This is an inflammatory statement that does not reflect the views of
Creationists, however, debates on the subject normally lower to this level
of name calling very quickly. I don't take offence. In the 'Christian'
newsgroup I hang out in this topic is hotly 'debated' twice a year or so.
No resolution, just a whole lot of yadda yadda.


Scientist - We have no idea what was in the beginning, we'll keep trying
to make sense of it, but still have no idea, and that's a good thing,
too, because "We don't know" is an answer we can not only live with, but
one we wholeheartedly embrace.

If only all non-Creationists stated it this way. Most try to prove that
they have "The Answer" (tm).

Now, what sort of plane do you fly? I'm still stuck in a Warrior but the
school has installed an autopilot so I get to do a little sight-seeing!


David
--
I was reading the dictionary the other day. I thought it was a poem about
everything.

"dVaridel" wrote in
u:

"Thomas Borchert" wrote
Creationist - We have no idea what was in the beginning, so we make
up this cozy feeling fairy tale with a bearded guy in it, then we go
and kill or oppress people by the gazillions supposedly in the name
of that guy, but really for our personal gain, be it economic,
political or otherwise.

This is an inflammatory statement that does not reflect the views of
Creationists, however, debates on the subject normally lower to this
level of name calling very quickly. I don't take offence. In the
'Christian' newsgroup I hang out in this topic is hotly 'debated'
twice a year or so. No resolution, just a whole lot of yadda yadda.


Scientist - We have no idea what was in the beginning, we'll keep
trying to make sense of it, but still have no idea, and that's a good
thing, too, because "We don't know" is an answer we can not only live
with, but one we wholeheartedly embrace.

If only all non-Creationists stated it this way. Most try to prove
that they have "The Answer" (tm).

(tm) by christians, eh?



Bertie

Jim Logajan wrote:
Bob Noel wrote:
No scientist today postulates a beginning?

IMHO no one with a grasp of logic and a clear understanding of the
concept of causality would postulate a "beginning" to time. It would
either be pointlessly self-referential or require the postulation of
some sort of meta-time in which causality (something to support "before"
and "after" concepts) was still applicable. But that would then beg the
question of postulating a beginning to the "meta-time".

By the way, I would recommend the following book for anyone interested
in the physics and philosophy of time:

"Time's Arrow and Archimedes' Point: New Directions for the Physics of
Time" by Huw Price.

http://www.amazon.com/Times-Arrow-Ar...d_bxgy_b_img_a

Tough reading because it requires some deep thinking, but no math. Those
with a very strong background in math and physics at the senior to
graduate college level might find this book worth some study:

"The Physical Basis of the Direction of Time" by H. D. Zeh

http://www.amazon.com/Times-Arrow-Ar...d_bxgy_b_img_a

I still like "A Brief History of Time", but Hawking. I don't agree with
much of it, but it is interesting reading nonetheless.

Matt

Thomas Borchert wrote:
DVaridel,

Creationist - In the beginning there was God, and He created everything

Others - In the beginning there was nothing, then it exploded

Hmmmmm


Here's the answer I should have given in the first place:

Creationist - We have no idea what was in the beginning, so we make up
this cozy feeling fairy tale with a bearded guy in it, then we go and
kill or oppress people by the gazillions supposedly in the name of that
guy, but really for our personal gain, be it economic, political or
otherwise.

Scientist - We have no idea what was in the beginning, we'll keep trying
to make sense of it, but still have no idea, and that's a good thing,
too, because "We don't know" is an answer we can not only live with, but
one we wholeheartedly embrace. No one needs to get hurt in this process.

Hmmmm


Yes, Hmmm. Who created most of the nastiest weapons known to man...
Hint, it wasn't creationists.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

Jim Logajan wrote:
Bob Noel wrote:
No scientist today postulates a beginning?

IMHO no one with a grasp of logic and a clear understanding of the
concept of causality would postulate a "beginning" to time. It would
either be pointlessly self-referential or require the postulation of
some sort of meta-time in which causality (something to support
"before" and "after" concepts) was still applicable. But that would
then beg the question of postulating a beginning to the "meta-time".

By the way, I would recommend the following book for anyone
interested in the physics and philosophy of time:

"Time's Arrow and Archimedes' Point: New Directions for the Physics
of Time" by Huw Price.

http://www.amazon.com/Times-Arrow-Archimedes-Point-
Directions/dp/01951
17980/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_a

Tough reading because it requires some deep thinking, but no math.
Those with a very strong background in math and physics at the senior
to graduate college level might find this book worth some study:

"The Physical Basis of the Direction of Time" by H. D. Zeh

http://www.amazon.com/Times-Arrow-Archimedes-Point-
Directions/dp/01951
17980/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_a

I still like "A Brief History of Time", but Hawking. I don't agree
with
much of it, but it is interesting reading nonetheless.


Oh you should write to him and point out his errors then.

Be sure to include your views on guns. Perhaps that will help him see
the error of his ways.

Bertie

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

Thomas Borchert wrote:
DVaridel,

Creationist - In the beginning there was God, and He created
everything

Others - In the beginning there was nothing, then it exploded

Hmmmmm


Here's the answer I should have given in the first place:

Creationist - We have no idea what was in the beginning, so we make
up this cozy feeling fairy tale with a bearded guy in it, then we go
and kill or oppress people by the gazillions supposedly in the name
of that guy, but really for our personal gain, be it economic,
political or otherwise.

Scientist - We have no idea what was in the beginning, we'll keep
trying to make sense of it, but still have no idea, and that's a good
thing, too, because "We don't know" is an answer we can not only live
with, but one we wholeheartedly embrace. No one needs to get hurt in
this process.

Hmmmm


Yes, Hmmm. Who created most of the nastiest weapons known to man...
Hint, it wasn't creationists.


Only because they're too dumb to make spitballs.

But not to use them.

Bertie

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:17:20 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

Jim Logajan wrote:
Bob Noel wrote:
No scientist today postulates a beginning?

IMHO no one with a grasp of logic and a clear understanding of the
concept of causality would postulate a "beginning" to time. It would
either be pointlessly self-referential or require the postulation of
some sort of meta-time in which causality (something to support
"before" and "after" concepts) was still applicable. But that would
then beg the question of postulating a beginning to the "meta-time".

By the way, I would recommend the following book for anyone
interested in the physics and philosophy of time:

"Time's Arrow and Archimedes' Point: New Directions for the Physics
of Time" by Huw Price.

http://www.amazon.com/Times-Arrow-Archimedes-Point-
Directions/dp/01951
17980/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_a

Tough reading because it requires some deep thinking, but no math.
Those with a very strong background in math and physics at the senior
to graduate college level might find this book worth some study:

"The Physical Basis of the Direction of Time" by H. D. Zeh

http://www.amazon.com/Times-Arrow-Archimedes-Point-
Directions/dp/01951
17980/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_a

I still like "A Brief History of Time", but Hawking. I don't agree
with
much of it, but it is interesting reading nonetheless.


Oh you should write to him and point out his errors then.

You guys are all wrong. Douglass Addams hit it right with "The
Restaurant at the End of the Universe".

Be sure to include your views on guns. Perhaps that will help him see
the error of his ways.

Every one that thinks like I do should be able to own as many as they
want. Take 'em away from every one else. Same for universal govt and
religion. :-))

Roger


Bertie

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:15:17 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:

Thomas Borchert wrote:
DVaridel,

Creationist - In the beginning there was God, and He created everything

Others - In the beginning there was nothing, then it exploded

Hmmmmm


Here's the answer I should have given in the first place:

Creationist - We have no idea what was in the beginning, so we make up
this cozy feeling fairy tale with a bearded guy in it, then we go and
kill or oppress people by the gazillions supposedly in the name of that
guy, but really for our personal gain, be it economic, political or
otherwise.

Scientist - We have no idea what was in the beginning, we'll keep trying
to make sense of it, but still have no idea, and that's a good thing,
too, because "We don't know" is an answer we can not only live with, but
one we wholeheartedly embrace. No one needs to get hurt in this process.

Hmmmm


Yes, Hmmm. Who created most of the nastiest weapons known to man...
Hint, it wasn't creationists.


Nastiest weapon known to man? Hate.
Twasn't created by the scientists.

Roger

Matt

DVaridel,

The Big Bang idea 'has no basis in science'.


If you think your description had anything to do with the Big Bang
theory, you'd be wrong.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

DVaridel,

Now, what sort of plane do you fly?


Socata TB-10 Tobago. Wider cabin than a Bo, but sadly, neither the
engine power nor the speed.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)