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New Monroy ATD-300 Traffic Watch
http://www.monroyaero.com/trafficwatch.html
Interesting, especially in light of the recent discussions we've been having. Hope this helps, Mike Palmer Excellence in Ergonomics |
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Given the promise of a LOT more features in this ATD-300, I am surprised
that they didn't either predict a much higher price, or delay announcement until they were ready to ship. I could see myself making this marketing mistake. Could come under the heading of "Nice guys finish last." (In this world.) I know how much I dislike it after buying a product only to find a new, better version came out a day later. So, per the Golden Rule, I'd probably tell a prospective customer, "You know, if you just wait a while, I'm coming out with a version 2." I suppose, if one were going to do this, the smart thing to do would be to lower the price on the now obsolete version to keep some cash flow going or at least clear inventory. When car manufacturers introduced new models annually, this was the model they used. He might have announced prematurely to hold SureCheck purchasers at bay... if a guy was going to cut a check today for a VRX, he might be willing to wait a month to see if the ATD-300 is better. Certainly the price is lower than the VRX, and given SureCheck's prior reputation... If sales of the -200 had trickled to nothing (and how many units of anything in GA does anyone sell per month?) then he had nothing to lose and maybe this is genius. I hear from a very reliable source that pre-pro units are flying. If he ships in December, he's only lost a month (or less) of sales. I'm eagerly awaiting some reviews. Mike Palmer Excellence in Ergonomics |
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MikeremlaP,
He might have announced prematurely to hold SureCheck purchasers at bay... if a guy was going to cut a check today for a VRX, he might be willing to wait a month to see if the ATD-300 is better. I think you done broke the code... ;-) -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Thomas Borchert writes:
MikeremlaP, He might have announced prematurely to hold SureCheck purchasers at bay... if a guy was going to cut a check today for a VRX, he might be willing to wait a month to see if the ATD-300 is better. I think you done broke the code... ;-) -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilber...-20031012.html |
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I'm getting pretty tired of waiting for a VRX available to buy. I called
the company about 3 weeks ago, said they were shipping them out in a couple days to various major avionics shops. I called those shops, they sort of laughed and said maybe in 3 weeks. Still not there. As of today I got the 'any day now'. So I'm on that list of waiting a little longer to see the Monroy, I've waited this long, why not. Chris |
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SeeAndAvoid,
So how do the two compare in your view? -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
SeeAndAvoid, So how do the two compare in your view? Hard to say until the Monroy actually is out and being used. Same with this other one, Proxalert, I'm sure both will do all the manufacturer says, but I'd feel better after it's out and in use. Here, Surecheck (Trafficscope) has the edge, even though right now they are hard to find. At least they've been released and people have been fairly happy with them from what I've heard. Antenna - if the Monroy uses the same large antenna, the Surecheck model wins here with the small stubby one (external installation). Display - Monroy's is simple, which in avionics might be a good thing. Surecheck uses an up/down arrow for position, Monroy uses a +/-. Surechecks LCD and night backlighting looks nice, especially the backlit buttons - Monroy, cant yet tell backlighting of buttons, display looks fine, and alot like a Ryan TCAD. Surechecks has a multiple target indicator, Monroys doesnt. Surechecks has radar/tcas display, Monroy doesnt. Surechecks has ModeS display, Monroy doesnt. The menu for setting it up looks better on Surechecks, from what is known of Monroys, which is admittedly not much. I think I'll stop there as Surecheck has the big advantage of a much more informative website, especially the pdf file at http://surecheck.net/five/pdf/VRX_1-0-1_Full.pdf Monroys website never had nearly the info even on their older unit, and Proxalert looks like it was written in another language then translated, just my observation. Where is it made by the way? When's it coming out? Is it ONLY for installed use, or portable also? The multiple a/c readout is nice, I guess, but Surechecks way of showing it works just as good for me. The actual beacon code? Not worth spending any money on. Speaking of money, Surechecks can be had for less than the list price of $1195 - at Pacific Coast Avionics and a couple other places, like $200 less. Which is still $200 more than Monroys. Proxalert at $1499, thats alot. There's some of my opinions on these units. Maybe I won't wait for the Monroy after all. Chris |
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SeeAndAvoid,
Surechecks has a multiple target indicator, Monroys doesnt. Monroy is supposed to alternate display between targets if nothing is closer than 2nm. If one is closer, it will focus on that. Surechecks has radar/tcas display, Monroy doesnt. Surechecks has ModeS display, Monroy doesnt. Who has the time to look at all those indications when there is traffic around? I just don't need to know that stuff. Monroy had an S-mode indicator, and this must be the reason it got dropped. As for the Proxalert, it is French. From my view, it displays a ton of info that's not needed when you're talking about a gadget that's supposed to help you find traffic VISUALLY! You forgot to mention one thing: Price! The Monroy is a very clear winner there - with nearly the same capability as the Surecheck. Isn't it? -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Hello all,
Just for the fairness of the discussion, Thomas distributes the Monroy device in Germany and asked me to distribute Proxalert a month and a half ago ... I do manage ProXalert. R5 development was done in Europe but ProXalert is a US based company. I'm please to confirm our new price of 1195 USD. Look what you get to realize the small price difference : 1) Only device monitoring up to 10 threats and displaying up to 3 threats SIMULTANEOUSLY. No uncertain evaluation changing every time. 2) Only device to provide vertical trend information. You immediatly see if traffic is climbing, descending or levelling. 3) Only device to see traffic up to 10 Nm away. 4) Only device to provide the threat squawk. The info seems rich but you will immediately see and precisely follow traffic. No risk to mix traffic is busy area. 5) Only device to integrate a programmable cruise altitude alerter. 6) Lowest power consumption of the three devices : 1 watts typical compared to 2.5 watts for the Monroy and 5 to 12 watts for the Surecheck Exellent for glider application ! The unit operates from a small solar panel. (Day flight only ) 7) Can see traffic up to FL430 useful if you want to use the unit at home as a small radar station. Hobbyist applications. 8) Only device to display threat altitude in absolute MSL or relative to your own altitude. Programmable thru menu. 9) Only device to rank threat based on distance or altitude. Programmable thru menu. 10) Only device to support firmware upgrade by customer using a simple personnal computer. You always get the latest enhancement for free without having to bring the unit back to the dealer. No product integrating software is bug free but some like the R5 is easy to upgrade some aren't. 11) Only device to send traffic data information thru it COM port. Automatic tower application for remote airfield ! 12) Field calibration : Use our utility to compensate for coaxial cable attenuation in fixed installation. up to 4 db by 0.4 db. In conclusion for a little more money you can get a professionnel grade unit at still a very competitive price compared to other professionnal devices. The ProXalert R5 unit is available NOW. Terry ProXalert Director www.ProXalert.com Monroy and Surecheck are trademark owned by their respective owner. "SeeAndAvoid" wrote in message link.net... "Thomas Borchert" wrote in message SeeAndAvoid, So how do the two compare in your view? Hard to say until the Monroy actually is out and being used. Same with this other one, Proxalert, I'm sure both will do all the manufacturer says, but I'd feel better after it's out and in use. Here, Surecheck (Trafficscope) has the edge, even though right now they are hard to find. At least they've been released and people have been fairly happy with them from what I've heard. Antenna - if the Monroy uses the same large antenna, the Surecheck model wins here with the small stubby one (external installation). Display - Monroy's is simple, which in avionics might be a good thing. Surecheck uses an up/down arrow for position, Monroy uses a +/-. Surechecks LCD and night backlighting looks nice, especially the backlit buttons - Monroy, cant yet tell backlighting of buttons, display looks fine, and alot like a Ryan TCAD. Surechecks has a multiple target indicator, Monroys doesnt. Surechecks has radar/tcas display, Monroy doesnt. Surechecks has ModeS display, Monroy doesnt. The menu for setting it up looks better on Surechecks, from what is known of Monroys, which is admittedly not much. I think I'll stop there as Surecheck has the big advantage of a much more informative website, especially the pdf file at http://surecheck.net/five/pdf/VRX_1-0-1_Full.pdf Monroys website never had nearly the info even on their older unit, and Proxalert looks like it was written in another language then translated, just my observation. Where is it made by the way? When's it coming out? Is it ONLY for installed use, or portable also? The multiple a/c readout is nice, I guess, but Surechecks way of showing it works just as good for me. The actual beacon code? Not worth spending any money on. Speaking of money, Surechecks can be had for less than the list price of $1195 - at Pacific Coast Avionics and a couple other places, like $200 less. Which is still $200 more than Monroys. Proxalert at $1499, thats alot. There's some of my opinions on these units. Maybe I won't wait for the Monroy after all. Chris |
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