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I've got
stories I could write about until I die about this guy and what he did to protect YOU and I from the bull **** that went on and is still going on to undermine our great Nation! Write the book, Bill. I promised to never write the stories he told me while he was alive because he was still under wraps. Now that he's gone, I may just open Pandora's box. Yes, it's been 60 years, but I know the truth behind a lot of it that this guy knew while working for the CIC. All the more reason....to write the book, Bill. It's how we all learn. It's how we grow; it's how we get better. History has a way of repeating itself, lest we all forget. Six or so years ago I sent a note to Hugh Mills, author of "Low Level Hell." I thanked him for the contributions he made during that war. To live through that, on two tours, and tell a moving story of survival. He said "thanks for the words...especially from a Marine." Semper Fi, Hugh. I'm just one jarhead who'd wish you'd write the sequel. It's how we learn. I'll have to think about it a bit but I'll bet none of it could compromise any security at this point. I'll just sit and think for a while then I might tell some of it. Seems like you dabbled recently in some writing yourself Bill. A few folks on the NG, including myself, hope you'll put some pen to paper. You know that rascal Bob Barbanes was gonna write a book too. I wish Bob well; don't know what ever happened to him. Did you guys ever hook up and log a little rotor time together? If you did....there's yet another story to be told. Here is his obituary. I cut a bit out of it about the family, but I heard these stories for nearly 60 years about what really happened over there. My condolences on the loss of your father, Bill. No words can ease the pain. Perhaps in time, however, your ability to tell his story to others will be one of his, and your, most significant contributions. Write the book, Bill. Regards, Dan |
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Bill,
No words can assuage the loss in your family. Draw some comfort from the fact that your pops lived and died defending our FREEDOM. The FREEDOM to live, OR end, our lives in the way we choose. To quote a line from Apocalypse Now, "He just wanted to go out standing on his feet like a soldier, not some wasted rag-tag renagade." Everyone will forever be grateful for his sacrifice. Kindest regards... |
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I raise a toast to your father while a tear falls for you and your family...
S.G. "Badwater Bill" wrote in message ... There was a tragic incident in our family six days ago. My father who was suffering from diabetes, palsy, lower back disk dehydration and depression decided to end his life. He was scheduled for a hip replacement operation on Monday. We all were planning a big party for his 80th birthday which was yesterday, but instead received his ashes from the crematorium instead. Here is a tiny, small, insignificant glimpse of what this true hero was all about. And none of it is bull ****. This guy was for real. I could never live up to the standards he was required to live by as a young man. Many of us could never approach the true horror and misery that a guy like this lived through. I heard the stories my whole life. At Dochau and Goettingen he was assigned the duty of unloading the corpses from the boxcars to examine the bodies. Many of them were still alive but starved into unconsciousness. My father found many who were alive and saved them from the crematoriums. They then examined bodies laying around the courtyards who were unconscious and found many who were still alive but almost skeletons covered by skin due to starvation. In Goettengen most of the prisoners were Mongolians. He still never told me why that was to the end of his days but the info was probably still classified and he was still under wraps as CIC. He helped them find food by opening a cheese factory there once the concentration camp was liberated. Of course he was under investigation since the town mayor and cheese factory owner were not in agreement with the liberation of the food necessary to feed the starving and liberated prisoners, so my dad shot and killed them, opened the wherehouse doors and gave the food to people who would have died within days if that had not been executed. The Germans had just began using the ME-262. I have a black and white photo he took of it somewhere during the war. They thought it was powered by gravitation or something since it had no propellers. He saw things that no one admits today like ME-109's pulling away from P-51's. He said he saw it many times. There was some kind of super propulsion unit they had on that thing that left the P-51's in the dust-might have been some kind of early JATO bottle or something. Anyone know? Was it a turbo of some sort? There are many of you guys here that lived through this too. I take my hats off to you. I'm proud that people like you protected this great country so that people like me could live in freedom for all of their lives. I will put a picture of this great warrior who worked for this country openly and under cover for most of his life on the binary file thing. I will post it here when I do it. You guys think Air America was something, you should have known this guy...and he was my dad! This is the tip of the iceberg. I've got stories I could write about until I die about this guy and what he did to protect YOU and I from the bull **** that went on and is still going on to undermine our great Nation! I promised to never write the stories he told me while he was alive because he was still under wraps. Now that he's gone, I may just open Pandora's box. Yes, it's been 60 years, but I know the truth behind a lot of it that this guy knew while working for the CIC. I'll have to think about it a bit but I'll bet none of it could compromise any security at this point. I'll just sit and think for a while then I might tell some of it. I might even run it by "security" before I do that. I'd love to write about what he told me about Anzio, Innsbruck, Paris and the Nazi roundup after the war. Here is his obituary. I cut a bit out of it about the family, but I heard these stories for nearly 60 years about what really happened over there. Bill Phillips __________________________________________________ ______________________ William Phillips Sr. William L. Phillips, died March 13, 2004, in Boulder City, Nevada. Bill loved his wife and family. He was a devoted husband, father, grandfather, brother and uncle. A class act, he was a kind and patient man with a special way with children. He loved the desert, history, and he loved to read, write and recite poetry. Bill retired in 1979 as an operations foreman at Hoover Dam. Bill, a veteran of the US. Army, served in World War 11, from 1942 through 1945. He was one of the few survivors that saw continuous unending battle, with nearly 500 days of active duty on the front lines over a two-year period. His tour of duty took him from North Africa to Sicily, Italy, France, Germany, Austria, then on to Belgium and Holland. Although he initially trained to be an Army artilleryman, as the war progressed and the horrendous number of casualties mounted, he had to assume many roles such as battle-line forward observer, supply-support man for the engineering units, infantry rifleman, (nowadays called a sniper) and other positions required by front line units. He also served for nearly a year alongside the Huey P. Long's Louisiana National Guard, which was inducted into the Army during World War II. His battle history began in North Africa then into Sicily. His unit began in Europe with the battle of Cassino and on to the bloody battle of the beachhead landing at Anzio, Italy. Then he proceeded with the liberation of Rome, the engagements with the 6th-Corps in Southern France, across the Rhine River, followed by pushing the Germans back in a clearing action over the mountains into lnnsbruck, Austria, the Brenner pass crossing to Garmish and on to Salzburg. His duty proceeded back to Germany with the liberation of Dachau and Goettingen concentration camps. He was then assigned to the Central intelligence Corps (CIC) after the European treaty was signed. He worked undercover in France, Belgium, and Holland tracking down Nazi war criminals for the Nuremberg war trials. He was then transferred to Paris before returning to the United States to be granted an honorable discharge with the 141st Field Artillery Battalion. . |
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I am sorry to hear about your father, Bill. My sincerest condolences.
Let's have a moment of silence... Bryan "the monk" Chaisone |
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Thank all of you so much. You have no idea how much it means to me to read your comments. I see that some of you also had fathers who were great heros. It was hard being a kid growing up under a man like this. I had no idea until I was an adult what horror and terror this man lived through, fought through and overcame to become a functioning person in society. Actually, he never really connected with the system after the war. He did well. He did function and go to work, but he just was always clamped up to himself. He went to work each day and supported his family, but he was tainted, he was worried, he was scarred so deeply that he never recovered from the war. He knew what can happen. That's what I think the real deal is. He knew what can happen when the world goes to hell. He should have never had a family, but things were not that simple. He was so scarred from that war, the concentration camps, the death, that he never recovered. I had a birthday party for him on his 70'th birthday to honor him. All he could think about was the war. All he talked about to his friends was the war. After that as he grew older I couldn't ask him questions about the concentration camps he'd been a soldier and helped liberate. He'd break down and cry. So, most of what I know are those things he could talk about until he was about 60 or so. When he's be explaining a battle to me sometimes I'd ask him about the Jews and the concentrations camps just to hear more of the details. It just brought such agony and misery to him for my questions that he couldn't respond without breaking down. He told me that he was a seasoned combat soldier when they went into the concentration camps at the end of the war. He was vivid too. He told me that it was common place to see arms or legs or even sexual organs, heads, ears, etc. hanging on branches of trees in combat after shelling. He was used that. But when they went into Goettengen near Stuttgart and saw the starved emaciated prisoners, it was like their first day in combat. It was like they'd never heard a shell explode. It was "Goofy" he said. No one could believe that the Germans were torturing and starving people like this. It was a sick feeling even for a seasoned combat soldier. So they reacted appropriately. They let the prisoners go. They did all the medical things they could do and then they went looking for the assholes who were in charge. My dad admitted to killing the owner of the cheese factory when he and his men tried to pursuade him to open the doors and feed the liberated prisoners. My father said, "I asked the factory owner many times to open the doors. I had hundreds of mongolian prisoners behind me who were starving. They hadn't eaten in weeks as far as we could tell. His wife bitched and screamed at us then spit on us. His daughers were standing there with him along with the Bergermeister (town mayor). I told them I would assrest them then blow the door if they didn't move aside. Instead, the rat-******* pulled a pistol on me and shot at me. I shot him and his wife. My fellow soldiers shot his daughters and the mayor. We blew the door and oppened the food supply to the starving prisoners." Dochau was the same. My dad said "you won't read it in any history books but the city of Dachau was open ground. After they saved all the prisoners they could, or during that effort, a small band of soldiers went south a couple kilometers to that city and hunted down that *******s who had run that prison camp. All ranking SS officers (assholes) who had anything to do with that camp were executed." "The ally soldiers were really ****ed from what they had seen at the prison camp so the SS families, their children, even their dogs, cats, rats, other insects in their homes, etc. suffered the same fate." "We killed them all." At that point, the occupational forces were moving in and knew these ally soldiers were crazed and confused. Men with many hundreds of days of combat like my dad just went "goofy" he said. The sight of the crematoriums and the "God Damn Germans" shoveling living human beings into the furnaces just ****ed them off. The soldiers could not control their emotions...even after years of combat. Dad said it was like his first day in combat, or the first day he was ever shelled. It was just "Goofy" he said. It was like we'd never been in a war at all. It was so horrible, so strange and so bizarre. [My dad couldn't swallow a pill. It was an emotional thing from childhood. Later, when I knew him as an adult, he could. But when he was a kid, he couldn't swallow a pill.] After they shot and killed all the SS-assholes they could find in Dachau, the occupational forces knew they had a problem. I mean, soldiers just don't go killing people in civilian clothing at random, or even wiping out an entire city (you history buffs check this one out). The medical folks made dad swallow a pill about the size of an quarter. He remembers is to this day. He said it was a big white pill and he couldn't even imagine swallowing such a large round pill since he was unable to swallow even a tiny pill. So, he broke it up, cut it up into four (4) pieces. He said the MP's had him at gunpoint and made him "eat" the four pieces of the pill. The next thing he remembers is that he was over in France. He was in a bomb-crater under a canvas tent on a cot. Most of his buddies were there too and they were all groggy. They had been knocked out and loaded on a train to get them the hell out of Germany "completely." He knows it's true because he couldn't swallow the pill. He asked the officers about Dachau and what had happened and they wouldn't tell him anything. They just told him the war was about over and that they had a pile off books that they could read if they wanted, and that they were in R and R. He never heard another word about Dachau. He said they'd been "OUT" for three days. I don't know how factual that is, but he told me he checked the dates and he'd been unconscious for three days. He looked at me and said, "How in the hell did I end up from Dachau into France in a blink of the eye? The CIC was covering up the murders of the the SS we pulled off in the little city of Dachau south of the prison camp. They were so scared about us getting caught and the treaty negotiations that they drugged us and got us the hell out of there because they knew were were all seasoned combat soldiers and didn't give a ****. Later I was told to keep my mouth shut or I'd spend the rest of my life in Leavinworth (sp)." My dad purposely avoided having a computer and never uncovered his deep and horrible memories of Dachau or Goettingen. I heard so much about it when I was a kid I went to Dachau in 1979. I even felt that I might have been a prisoner there in the 1940's and been reincarnated. I knew so much about the place, the human experiments, and the crematoriums, I needed to see it. My feeling about Dachau was that it was a strange place where I had never been "In any life" and I had no identity with it at all. I saw the memorial, the museum all of it. It was like any other museum other than it was terrible to think that humans had ever done that to one another in a more civilized society. Goettingen is a completely different story. I will tell you what dad said about that in detail in some book I write or so. It's interesting that I have a neighbor who was raised in Munich and she was never taught of any of this. The germans errased this history from the children who grew up after the war. You ask Germans today who are our age. Many don't even believe such a thing happened. I mention this because I worked with a Ph.D. chemist for many years who was born in Goettingen. He told me there was never a prison camp there. I'd like someone here to verify that there was. My dad told me hundreds of stories about the liberation of that prison and how he liberated food for the starving Mongolian prisoners. Have at it you guys. I'd like to see what you come up with. I'd like to know what supporting facts there are about that concentration camp which held Asians, not Jews. Bill |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:59:37 -0500, Kevin 'Hognose' O'Brien
wrote: In article , (Badwater Bill) wrote: There was a tragic incident in our family six days ago. My father I'm so sorry. Bill, please accept my condolences on the passing of your father. As you say, William L. Phillips lived a full life. The world is a poorer place for his death, but it is a richer place for his life. -=K=- Kevin O'Brien Thanks Kevin. This, from a man like you who has been a true warrior himself for most of his life, really has a lot of meaning to me. I hope one day that I can be privileged enough to meet you. I appreciate all the posts that all of you, my friends, have made in this thread. I will save it for the rest of my life. Many of you, like Kevin are great patriots like my dad was and have given much more than your share to keep out great country what it is. The protection of America and the love of the United States runs deep in my red-blood, my brother and my mother-and the red blood of every one of my relatives,. I will not say anything about it now but I will tell you what I'm doing at a later date to protect our borders from terrorists. I'm in one of the finest projects I've been involved in for years. I don't even have the time to read RAH but once a week-or less. Can you imagine that? Bill |
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I'm so sorry. Bill, please accept my condolences on the passing of your
father. As you say, William L. Phillips lived a full life. The world is a poorer place for his death, but it is a richer place for his life. -=K=- Kevin O'Brien Thanks Kevin. This, from a man like you who has been a true warrior himself for most of his life, really has a lot of meaning to me. I hope one day that I can be privileged enough to meet you. I appreciate all the posts that all of you, my friends, have made in this thread. I will save it for the rest of my life. Many of you, like Kevin are great patriots like my dad was and have given much more than your share to keep out great country what it is. The protection of America and the love of the United States runs deep in my red-blood, my brother and my mother-and the red blood of every one of my relatives,. I will not say anything about it now but I will tell you what I'm doing at a later date to protect our borders from terrorists. I'm in one of the finest projects I've been involved in for years. I don't even have the time to read RAH but once a week-or less. Can you imagine that? Bill Bill, I haven't been following most of the threads on RAH lately and missed this entirely. I am very sorry to hear about you dad. My best to you and your family at this time. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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I have a friend whose mother just passed away. Does anybody have anything this
beautiful and powerful for a mother instead of a father? Jim "Rich S." shared these priceless pearls of wisdom: -Shifting the Sun - -When your father dies, say the Irish, -You lose your umbrella against bad weather. -May his sun be your light, say the Armenians. [snip] Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup) VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor http://www.rst-engr.com |
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