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Old February 9th 07, 06:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.student
Bob Noel
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In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

The ATC user fee issue is a corporate boondoggle like Boeing's recent
infamous proposal to lease a hundred B-757(?) tankers to the USAF.


fyi - 767

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Old February 9th 07, 07:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Recently, B A R R Y posted:

Steve Foley wrote:
I won't call for flight
following, and I'll avoid airports with towers.


I wonder what it'll be like for ATC if all of the VFR aircraft that
currently use flight following become 1200 blips on the radar?

I imagine that any difficulties that might cause would be shortly followed
by a mandate to use flight following in most areas.

Neil



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Old February 9th 07, 07:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
B A R R Y[_2_]
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Neil Gould wrote:

I imagine that any difficulties that might cause would be shortly followed
by a mandate to use flight following in most areas.


Followed by a bunch of blips with no transponder return? G
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Old February 9th 07, 08:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.student
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Larry Dighera wrote:


Ours is a government of the PEOPLE, by the People, and for the PEOPLE,
and corporations are not PEOPLE; expose their greedy exploits at every
opportunity, or resign yourself to enslavement through inaction.


The airlines want to control U.S. ATC. They also want everyone else to
pay for it.

Having said that, privatization of ATC and users fees are really
different issues.
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Old February 9th 07, 08:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.student
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On 9 Feb 2007 08:46:30 -0800, wrote in


Ours is a government of the PEOPLE, by the People, and for the PEOPLE,


the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government." -- Patrick Henry

If you believe that you believe anything.


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Old February 9th 07, 08:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Chris
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wrote in message
oups.com...
All I have to say about user fees is that if they are implemented and
I am going to be nickeled and dimed to death by a bureaucratic
nightmare that adds overhead and significantly more per hour cost to
an already expensive per hour rate for flying time, I am going to hang
up my wings...

Just imagine what the per pilot cost of the FAA will be when about
200,000 pilots are driven out of the system by user fees.


Nah! You will pay up just like a junkie whose favourite fix has gone up in
price. You might fly a bit less but it will be your hourly cost that will
change as you do less hours.


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Old February 9th 07, 08:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Chris
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"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in message
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wrote in message
oups.com...
All I have to say about user fees is that if they are implemented and
I am going to be nickeled and dimed to death by a bureaucratic
nightmare that adds overhead and significantly more per hour cost to
an already expensive per hour rate for flying time, I am going to hang
up my wings...

Just imagine what the per pilot cost of the FAA will be when about
200,000 pilots are driven out of the system by user fees.


Maybe Hillary will use some of the Exxon profits that she wants to use for
alternative energy (since it is her money obviously) and help out us lowly
GA pilots.


Ah ha - the GA pilots are looking for welfare - socialism OK in this
instance then.


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Old February 9th 07, 08:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:28:51 -0500, B A R R Y
wrote in :

Steve Foley wrote:
I won't call for flight
following, and I'll avoid airports with towers.


I wonder what it'll be like for ATC if all of the VFR aircraft that
currently use flight following become 1200 blips on the radar?


I haven't read the current proposal, but initially the Reason
Foundation's Norm Poole said that GA would be exempt from user fees.
Don't be fooled by the old "divide and conquer" strategy.
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Old February 9th 07, 08:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
ArtP
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On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:35:45 GMT, B A R R Y
wrote:

Neil Gould wrote:

I imagine that any difficulties that might cause would be shortly followed
by a mandate to use flight following in most areas.


Followed by a bunch of blips with no transponder return? G


No problem. They can just do what they did in DC. You can't take off
until you get a transponder code from ATC.
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Old February 9th 07, 08:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dallas
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On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:56:47 GMT, Steve Foley wrote:

If they consider 'ATC contact' to be 'use', then it won't cost me any more.


How about a weather briefing at $ 1.50 a minute?

How about a $300 charge to renew your medical?

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