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Busted TFR, what to expect?
Robert M. Gary wrote:
Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to be in Sac? He came stealth. I can't. I'm not likely to call for pattern work. I talk to the FBO manager though; it seems like he would know. I'm also pretty good about keeping up with local events in the newspaper. If the VP is coming, I generally know it in advance. Now, on cross country flights, I always call. I need weather and I need to file. Will this practice eventually bite me on the ass? I suppose it could but I'll be pretty surprised. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
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Bob Fry wrote:
"JD" == John Doe writes: JD I had my first experience with a VIP TFR last weekend. Bush JD was in town and I had gotten an email from AOPA notifying me JD of the TFR in my area. Bush was in Sacto a few weeks ago and I too got the AOPA notification by email. Because of that, and checking the extent of that TFR, I decided not to risk it and simply didn't fly that weekend. But for the TFR I violated, I didn't get a notice from AOPA. Why, I'm not sure. And the local newspaper had nothing about Cheney's visit until afterwards so I didn't know he was in town. JD Luckily, I've learned to check NOTAMS prior to every flight, JD and following the procedures, the TFR didn't delay me at all JD in getting on my way. I rarely check NOTAMS or get a briefing for local VFR flights, and quite honestly I doubt I'll change my habits. The FAA should recognize that using NOTAMs alone are not enough. Maybe they should take email addresses and locations from pilots (kinda like AOPA) and send notices when a TFR is going to pop up in a given area. Maybe they could reserve a frequency just to broadcast important area NOTAMs. Pilots would get in the habit of checking it before takeoff and during flight. Maybe area NOTAMs could be added on to AWOS broadcasts. Something? Why do you say that using NOTAMs alone aren't enough? How would the FAA know where I am going to be flying so they can notify me by email of any applicable NOTAMs? You say that pilots would get in the habit of checking spoken NOTAMs before each flight... how is that different from checking them online or by a call to flight service if going online isn't feasible? -jav |
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Busted TFR, what to expect?
Robert M. Gary wrote:
Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to be in Sac? He came stealth. I get a DUATS briefing before every flight, pattern work or otherwise. If it's a spur of the moment thing on the way home from work, for example, and going online isn't feasible, then I call FSS. -jav |
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What is it with you guys busting TFR's ?? Don;t you ever get weather
briefings?? I can't figure it out. I have my students get a Wx briefing before every flight, even if local that way we are informed. The system has its flaws. I can call for a briefing before I leave for the airport. Problem is, the airfield is a 45 minute drive. Add 30 minutes to get the airplane out of the hangar and preflighted. Another 15 minutes before I get airborne. My information is now 1.5 hours old. I do not have a phone at the airfield, and the aircraft is an antique with no electrical system or radios. I have no way of knowing if anything has changed from my original briefing until I land at my destination. |
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Busted TFR, what to expect?
"Robert M. Gary" wrote:
Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every local flight in the pattern? Yes. I call for a briefing before *every* flight I take, whether it be a local or x/c flight, specifically due to the concern of busting a TFR. I am aware that there still is a risk that a previously unknown TFR might even slip past the FSS briefers, but at least there will be a record of my attempt at obtaining all information. -- Peter |
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Busted TFR, what to expect?
Peter Duniho wrote:
It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20 minutes walking around my airplane before every flight, and there's a host of other time-consuming things (fueling, driving to and from the airport, sometimes a visit to the pilot shop, etc) surrounding my flying. An extra 10 minutes (though, usually it's only 5) to get a briefing is a no-brainer. I agree and I also spend a lot of time preparing for a flight. Yesterday I took a GA-unfamiliar co-worker for a scenic flight over Niagara Falls. After calling for a briefing, planning the fuel consumption, and pre-flighting the aircraft, I gave him the "all-set" to climb aboard. He turned to me and said, "Boy, you can't just gas-and-go with these things, huh?" -- Peter |
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john smith wrote:
I have no way of knowing if anything has changed from my original briefing until I land at my destination. Well certainly, if a TFR were suddenly thrown up between the time you got your briefing and the time you took off there would be a problem. In fact though, the chances of that happening are probably pretty slim and to my knowledge has not been a factor in any cases of busted TFRs. Having gotten your briefing (which is documented) your ass would be at least covered for an accidental bust in the unlikely event they trew up a TFR over your area between the time you got your briefing and the time you took off. If you are flying XC a radio is an essential item, really -- IMHO. |
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Busted TFR, what to expect?
Robert M. Gary wrote:
Can anyone on this list actually claim to check for TFRs for every local flight in the pattern? Who would have known the VP was going to be in Sac? He came stealth. -Robert That would be me. Granted I live inside the largest (T)fr area in the country, but for the most part it does not change. I've just developed the habit of asking before each flight. Sure it takes a couple of extra moments but it's worth it. John |
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Busted TFR, what to expect?
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
kontiki wrote: Not doing this shows a lack of piloting skilss, sorry but thats the truth. It also shows a lack of spelling or typing skills. Sorry, but that's the truth. Wow, thanks for pointing that out, as you state, my typing skills are *essential* to the point of the post. |
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