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Pechs1 wrote:
Mike- No. From further engagements with PLAAF F-8s. BRBR yep, I'll take a P-3 weenie in a fight with the chinese 'fighter pilots' anyday. When the balloon goes up with China, it's going to be another "Marianna's 'spicey turkey with almonds' shoot"- Kung Pao Turkey? |
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"nafod40" wrote...
When the balloon goes up with China, it's going to be another "Marianna's 'spicey turkey with almonds' shoot"- Kung Pao Turkey? ....with bamboo shoots. |
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He is pulling your leg too! No MMAs exist at the moment, although Boeing
made the circuit of VP bases with a 737 during the competition. The first MMA won't even get to Pax for testing until 2008 or 9 and "the whole package" hasn't even been firmed up or any metal cut yet. Makes a great happy hour story though! Tom VX-20 Flight Test at Pax "Elmshoot" wrote in message ... I was talking to a guy at work who is in the reservr P-3 community and has experience FLYING the MMA he said it is not suitable at low altitude the whole package is not to standards and is wondering how combat damage resistamt it will be made. Sparky Question for the naval aviators: How is the new 737 MMA going to perform as the P-3s replacement? I know it's bigger, carries more "stuff" and whatnot, but from what I know of jet engines (even high-bypass fans), won't it be very fuel INefficient in the same regime as the P-3 prowls? Cruising along at 1000' or so and around 200 KIAS? Or is the MMA going to be punching out sonobuoys from a much higher altitude and at a much higher speed? Is this aircraft the real answer or is it more taxpayer money into the gaping maw of the military-industrial copmplex? |
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He is pulling your leg too! No MMAs exist at the moment, although Boeing
made the circuit of VP bases with a 737 during the competition. Tom, I wasn't trying to pull anyones leg. Most readers on this NG know enough to understand certain assumtions are made. In this case I thought everyone understood that the plane flown was the proposed MMA a 737. Purported to be like or similar to the the final product. At this point my buddy who has a butt load of P-3 time found the planes low altitude handeling unacceptable. I am taking his comments as sincere and at face value. Sparky Sparky |
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Elmshoot" Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military.naval To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 4:12 PM Subject: 737 MMA He is pulling your leg too! No MMAs exist at the moment, although Boeing made the circuit of VP bases with a 737 during the competition. Tom, I wasn't trying to pull anyones leg. Most readers on this NG know enough to understand certain assumtions are made. In this case I thought everyone understood that the plane flown was the proposed MMA a 737. Purported to be like or similar to the the final product. At this point my buddy who has a butt load of P-3 time found the planes low altitude handeling unacceptable. I am taking his comments as sincere and at face value. Sparky Sparky -------------------tom sez---------------- Understood! I wonder what his specific handling quality issues were? The P-3 is no prince in some regards, for instance it has fairly high control forces and rides like a Humvee, compared to some other large aircraft such as the Herk. Of course it wasn't designed to be a comfortable passenger aircraft (in spite of it's lineage), but a fairly responsive tactical aircraft. I have over 5ooo hours in it and still think it is a lot of fun to fly! Of course I like the Herk, 707 and CV-880 too, but each has it's foibles. You haven't had fun until you excite a dutch roll in an 880 or a 707! I think another issue is that the mission of VP is changing, so taking the whole mission into account and new sensors, there probably will not be much low level (200-300) ASW as in the past. I suspect flying the MMA around a 4000 yard mad trapping circle at 200 feet might be a bit nerve wracking! Tom |
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Saw a piece on the 'tube' abot China's new sub fleet. Maybe put some sting in
the need for new antisub fare to protect the CV, when the balloon goes up over Tiawan. A conflict around the Tiawanese straights is not going to be pretty. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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