American pilots charged in Amazon jetliner crash

This story just gets more and more bizarre... based on the evidence
I've seen reported so far, it certainly sounds to me like the Brazilian
air traffic control system itself is solely to blame for this accident.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html

--
Guy

"Guy Elden Jr" wrote in message
ps.com...
This story just gets more and more bizarre... based on the evidence
I've seen reported so far, it certainly sounds to me like the Brazilian
air traffic control system itself is solely to blame for this accident.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html

--
Guy


If these guys go back to Brazil they are idiots. It's pretty obvious they
are being scapegoated and there is no reason to believe they would receive a
fair trial. I have to wonder though if the folks in charge down there
really don't want or expect them to stand trial. Seeing how they have been
kept in county since September 29th and they let them leave AFTER they
formally charge them.

I don't know how things work in Brazil.
It could be similar to Europe, where a full investigation of the accident
cannot be completed without naming purported "perpetrators" and subjecting them
to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two pilots are named as
defendants does not preclude the naming of the air traffic controlers as well.

One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts a very strong emphasis
on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving little place for the
argument that a system design weakness may be equally to blame, if not more so.

I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back there - This would even
seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed to leave!!

GF

Greg Farris wrote:
I don't know how things work in Brazil.
It could be similar to Europe, where a full investigation of the accident
cannot be completed without naming purported "perpetrators" and subjecting them
to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two pilots are named as
defendants does not preclude the naming of the air traffic controlers as well.

One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts a very strong emphasis
on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving little place for the
argument that a system design weakness may be equally to blame, if not more so.

I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back there - This would even
seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed to leave!!

Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the
U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country....
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html
U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for
U.S. citizens in the U.S..

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Greg Farris wrote:
I don't know how things work in Brazil.
It could be similar to Europe, where a full investigation of the accident
cannot be completed without naming purported "perpetrators" and subjecting them
to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two pilots are named as
defendants does not preclude the naming of the air traffic controlers as well.

One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts a very strong emphasis
on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving little place for the
argument that a system design weakness may be equally to blame, if not more so.

I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back there - This would even
seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed to leave!!

Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the
U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country....
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html
U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for
U.S. citizens in the U.S..

-Robert


Yes but a US court and the Secretary of State will decide in the bounty
hunter case if he is extradited. The same would happen in the case of
the pilots.

Remember they agreed to return.



"601XL Builder" wrDOTgiacona@coxDOTnet wrote in message
...
| Robert M. Gary wrote:
| Greg Farris wrote:
| I don't know how things work in Brazil.
| It could be similar to Europe, where a full
investigation of the accident
| cannot be completed without naming purported
"perpetrators" and subjecting them
| to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two
pilots are named as
| defendants does not preclude the naming of the air
traffic controlers as well.
|
| One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts
a very strong emphasis
| on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving
little place for the
| argument that a system design weakness may be equally
to blame, if not more so.
|
| I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back
there - This would even
| seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed
to leave!!
|
| Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S.
citizen in the
| U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country....
| http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html
| U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue
arrest warrents for
| U.S. citizens in the U.S..
|
| -Robert
|
|
| Yes but a US court and the Secretary of State will decide
in the bounty
| hunter case if he is extradited. The same would happen in
the case of
| the pilots.

Greg Farris wrote:
I don't know how things work in Brazil.
It could be similar to Europe, where a full investigation of the accident
cannot be completed without naming purported "perpetrators" and subjecting them
to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two pilots are named as
defendants does not preclude the naming of the air traffic controlers as well.

One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts a very strong emphasis
on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving little place for the
argument that a system design weakness may be equally to blame, if not more so.

I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back there - This would even
seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed to leave!!

Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the
U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country....
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html
U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for
U.S. citizens in the U.S..

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Greg Farris wrote:
I don't know how things work in Brazil.
It could be similar to Europe, where a full investigation of the accident
cannot be completed without naming purported "perpetrators" and subjecting them
to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two pilots are named as
defendants does not preclude the naming of the air traffic controlers as well.

One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts a very strong emphasis
on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving little place for the
argument that a system design weakness may be equally to blame, if not more so.

I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back there - This would even
seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed to leave!!

Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the
U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country....
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html
U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for
U.S. citizens in the U.S..

-Robert


Well, apparently there is no connection between the message "Server
error, message not possed, try again in 30 seconds" and the message
actually posting. ;(

-Robert

I hate it when that happens !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert M. Gary wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
Greg Farris wrote:
I don't know how things work in Brazil.
It could be similar to Europe, where a full investigation of the accident
cannot be completed without naming purported "perpetrators" and subjecting them
to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two pilots are named as
defendants does not preclude the naming of the air traffic controlers as well.

One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts a very strong emphasis
on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving little place for the
argument that a system design weakness may be equally to blame, if not more so.

I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back there - This would even
seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed to leave!!

Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the
U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country....
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html
U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for
U.S. citizens in the U.S..

-Robert


Well, apparently there is no connection between the message "Server
error, message not possed, try again in 30 seconds" and the message
actually posting. ;(

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...

Greg Farris wrote:
I don't know how things work in Brazil.
It could be similar to Europe, where a full investigation of the accident
cannot be completed without naming purported "perpetrators" and
subjecting them
to a criminal investigation. The fact that the two pilots are named as
defendants does not preclude the naming of the air traffic controlers as
well.

One possible weakness of such a method is that it puts a very strong
emphasis
on the importance of human imperfections, while leaving little place for
the
argument that a system design weakness may be equally to blame, if not
more so.

I agree the US pilots would be crazy to EVER go back there - This would
even
seem to be implicit in the fact that they were allowed to leave!!

Its not unheard of for U.S. Marshalls to arrest a U.S. citizen in the
U.S. to stand for a warrent in a foreign country....
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09/14/dog.bounty/index.html
U.S. treaties allow for foreign countries to issue arrest warrents for
U.S. citizens in the U.S..

And the same treaties allow the US to issue warrants in foreign countries
for the arrest of foreign nationals too. So what is the issue. You don't
expect a US citizen to receive a fair trial in a foreign country? It could
be argued that a foreigner would not get a fair trial in the US. Hell many
US citizens don't get a fair trial in the US.