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Adding rudders to Logitech Wingman (can it be done)?
How can I add rudder pedals to a "Logitech Wingman Attack 2" joystick?
Or, can I add that joystick to a "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel"? I'm a newbie who would like to ask a newbie question (please advise). To save time in the Citabria 7ECA ($80/hour) at a local airport, I installed Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 which has helped me in ground school, especially for the instrumentation and radio traffic portions. But the "Logitech Wingman Attack 2" has no rudder pedals. On the other hand, I bought for my kids the "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel", which does come with two pedals (accelerator & brake) attached via a telephone connector (which is probably rs-232 serial wired). I guess I have three questions: Q1: Has anyone disassembled a Logitech joystick to add the rudder pedals? Q2: Is there a joystick which works with the existing rudder pedals? Q3: Or do I have to go out and buy a third joystick with rudder pedals? Please advise this Microsoft Flight Simulator newbie. |
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"Flight Sim newbie" wrote in
ups.com: How can I add rudder pedals to a "Logitech Wingman Attack 2" joystick? Or, can I add that joystick to a "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel"? I'm a newbie who would like to ask a newbie question (please advise). The best advice of this group is to ditch the toy simulator & go back to flying the real thing - oh - and we all think you should ditch the tail dragger too - fly real tricycle gear - it's the only way to fly. |
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"Aaron Smith" wrote in message
.158... "Flight Sim newbie" wrote in ups.com: How can I add rudder pedals to a "Logitech Wingman Attack 2" joystick? Or, can I add that joystick to a "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel"? I'm a newbie who would like to ask a newbie question (please advise). The best advice of this group is to ditch the toy simulator & go back to flying the real thing - oh - and we all think you should ditch the tail dragger too - fly real tricycle gear - it's the only way to fly. Idiot post of the month |
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First, ignore Aaron. Who the hell is he? I've been here for years and
never heard of him before. There's always some superior Foxtrot Hotel wanting to dump, especially if you call yourself a newbie. If MSFS helps you practice procedures, more power to you. Lots of people have used it for that purpose. Don't forget however, that flying the real thing feels different. Lots of people find the real thing easier because of that. Second, alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim is the best place for help with MSFS 2004, 2002, etc. Lots of helpful people there, many of them "real life" pilots. In particularly, look for Dudley Henriques... Remarkably few Foxtrot Hotels... It also has less posts devoted to politics. Third, the original logitech Wingman Force (with the USB and serial port) was designed to work with a game port set of rudder pedals. No subsequent one has been so designed, to my knowledge. BUT that doesn't mean you can't use rudder pedals with it. You can, and easily. Plug some rudder pedals in (I recommend the CH Pro Pedals, in USB flavor... You'll love the toe brakes) You don't need the CH manager software for this, but it is a great program. Go into MSFS2004. Click on "settings". In the upper right is the section for controls. Click on "assignments". At the top, click on the tab for "axes". Under "joystick type" select your logitech joystick. Where the axes (plural for axis) are defined, scroll down to "rudder axis". Uncheck the box. This will disable your twist grip rudder in MSFS 2004 Now go back to "Joystick Type". Select your rudder pedals. Scroll down to "Rudder Axis" and make sure the box is checked. If you are using the CH Pro pedals, it will be assigned the Z axis. You can also check the boxes for Right Brake (y axis) and Left Brake (x axis) as well. Don't freak out when you notice that the X axis of your logitech stick and Y axis are assigned to elevator and alieron control and the z axis is the throttle. Each joystick has an x, y, (and if it's a rudder or has a throttle) a z axis. That's normal. If you have other joystick type peripherals, you can assign them the same way, or change the keystrokes and buttons to activate commands in the game, etc. Click OK, then you're good to go. You may want to exit and re-start MSFS 2004 before flying just to make sure your changes are saved. Have fun. BTW - your next new peripheral should be the Track IR2. It makes all the difference in the world with MSFS 2004, especially since the virtual display in MSFS 2004 is clickable. "Flight Sim newbie" wrote in message ups.com... How can I add rudder pedals to a "Logitech Wingman Attack 2" joystick? Or, can I add that joystick to a "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel"? I'm a newbie who would like to ask a newbie question (please advise). To save time in the Citabria 7ECA ($80/hour) at a local airport, I installed Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 which has helped me in ground school, especially for the instrumentation and radio traffic portions. But the "Logitech Wingman Attack 2" has no rudder pedals. On the other hand, I bought for my kids the "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel", which does come with two pedals (accelerator & brake) attached via a telephone connector (which is probably rs-232 serial wired). I guess I have three questions: Q1: Has anyone disassembled a Logitech joystick to add the rudder pedals? Q2: Is there a joystick which works with the existing rudder pedals? Q3: Or do I have to go out and buy a third joystick with rudder pedals? Please advise this Microsoft Flight Simulator newbie. |
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"Jay Williams" wrote in message news:JlAQd.42149$EG1.38704@lakeread04... Foxtrot Hotel Is that anything like a Foxtrot Whiskey? |
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Jay Williams kindly wrote:
... the original logitech Wingman Force (with the USB & serial port) was designed to work with a game port set of rudder pedals. No subsequent one has been so designed, to my knowledge. BUT that doesn't mean you can't use rudder pedals with it. Plug some rudder pedals in (I recommend the CH Pro Pedals, in USB flavor... You'll love the toe brakes). Thank you very much Jay for your time & patience and effort to help. Do I understand you correctly below? I definately have a "Logitech Wingman Attack 2" joystick (it says so right on the base) which has only one wire which is USB. This joystick has a trigger plus five buttons & one throttle slider. I do not see any place to plug in any rudder pedals into this joystick (as someone suggested) so I guess I have to add separate USB rudder-and-brake pedals as you kindly suggested. Since the pedals on my kid's "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel" use a tiny telephone hand-set jack (even smaller than a normal telephone jack), I really don't see how I can attach those existing car-driving gas-and-brake pedals (unless there is a telephone-to-usb or telephone-to-serial adapter out there). So, if I understand you correctly (and if I discount someone else's suggestion to use the existing pedals), does that mean I should buy the recommended set of rudder pedals & a USB splitter so I can plug both the CH Pro rudders and the joystick into the same USB port? |
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1. You don't need a "usb splitter". They don't need to be plugged into the
same USB port. They don't even need to be plugged into the same kind (USB 1.1 or USB 2.0) port. If you don't have any vacant ports, you can either unplug something you're not using at the moment ("hot-swapping" is sort of the point of USB) or buy a USB hub. A USB hub plugs into a USB port and allows you to plug a bunch more USB things into, effectively expanding the number of ports you can have. Theoretically, I think you can have 256 USB ports So, plug the joystick into one USB port and the rudder pedals into another. The computer will straighten it out. As for using your kids gas and brake pedal for rudder pedals, if you see them in the drop down box in the MSFS2004 / Settings / Joystick Assignments / Axes area, feel free to give it a try. You won't break anything. If it works, fine, if not then buy some USB rudder pedals. That being said, you'll find there are differences between rudder pedals and the Gas / Brake pedal for a driving controller. Push on the gas pedal and you'll see the brake pedal doesn't move (and vice versa). Also, gas and brake pedals normally involve more of a rotating the foot around the ankle joint then pushing the whole pedal forward (I'm describing computer peripherals here, not the actual operation of a car). I don't own one anymore, but if I recall correctly they were seen by the computer as separate axes, not one axis being turned right or left. Rudder pedals are seen as one axis (potentiometer) being turned right or left. The CH Pro Pedals I use can be used as Gas / Brake Pedals. It involves a setting in the software (control panel, I think or else the CH manager software) and using little plastic spacers that are provided with the pedals to eliminate the push / pull sympathetic movement between the pedals. Essentially, the toe brake axes become the gas and brake pedals. I guess that function comes in most handy for our friends who use a flight yoke to control their planes and also like driving sims. Simply speaking... you're making this much more complicated than it is with trying to find someplace to plug the pedals into the stick and worrying about them using the same USB port. Just plug them both in to whatever USB ports you have available and set them up in the game's settings. You'll find every single joystick type thing you have plugged into the computer in that dropdown box. If it shows up in the "game controllers" area off the control panel, it will show up there and you can assign buttons and axes from it to your game. The only wrinkle is that if the gas and brake pedal are separate axes (and I suspect they are). Or... (see below) "Flight Sim newbie" wrote in message oups.com... Jay Williams kindly wrote: ... the original logitech Wingman Force (with the USB & serial port) was designed to work with a game port set of rudder pedals. No subsequent one has been so designed, to my knowledge. BUT that doesn't mean you can't use rudder pedals with it. Plug some rudder pedals in (I recommend the CH Pro Pedals, in USB flavor... You'll love the toe brakes). Thank you very much Jay for your time & patience and effort to help. Do I understand you correctly below? Almost I definately have a "Logitech Wingman Attack 2" joystick (it says so right on the base) which has only one wire which is USB. This joystick has a trigger plus five buttons & one throttle slider. I do not see any place to plug in any rudder pedals into this joystick (as someone suggested) so I guess I have to add separate USB rudder-and-brake pedals as you kindly suggested. Probably Since the pedals on my kid's "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel" use a tiny telephone hand-set jack (even smaller than a normal telephone jack), I really don't see how I can attach those existing car-driving gas-and-brake pedals (unless there is a telephone-to-usb or telephone-to-serial adapter out there). Never heard or seen one, but *may* still be possible by selecting them as the axes to assign to the rudder. I doubt it will work the way you want to though, simply because rudders are designed to be one axis with a center you deviate from left or right (causing the numbers sent to the computer to go up or down from center). Gas and Brake pedals are designed to be two different axes, each at zero, and going up when pressure is applied. So, if I understand you correctly (and if I discount someone else's suggestion to use the existing pedals), does that mean I should buy the recommended set of rudder pedals & a USB splitter so I can plug both the CH Pro rudders and the joystick into the same USB port? Again, almost. you don't need a "splitter". They don't need to be plugged into the same USB port. The computer is smart enough to keep track. If you're out of USB ports you can buy a "Hub" which is a device (some are powered, some aren't; I prefer the powered ones) that plugs into a USB port on your computer and gives you from 3 to 7 more ports to plug devices into. Last analogy. You want to watch TV and use your VCR and have a light on, all at the same time. You don't have to buy a powerstrip and plug your TV and VCR into the same electrical outlet unless you're out of outlets. The hub is like the powerstrip. You can plug the TV into the outlet next to the TV and if you want, the VCR and lamp into outlets across the room. It doesn't matter where they are plugged in, just that they are. |
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After I wrote the post warning you that the Gas / Brake pedal thing might
use two axes and therefore not work I saw where Mikael has managed to get it to work. It sounds like his wheel / pedal combo uses one axis for the gas / brake (or else logitech has the ability to make it look that way to the computer). If so, I'd use that setup, unless you really like toe brakes... For me, I rarely do driving games and if I did, I'd just use a joystick for the wheel and adjust the pro pedals to act as a gas / brake pedal (as previously described) "Flight Sim newbie" wrote in message oups.com... Jay Williams kindly wrote: ... the original logitech Wingman Force (with the USB & serial port) was designed to work with a game port set of rudder pedals. No subsequent one has been so designed, to my knowledge. BUT that doesn't mean you can't use rudder pedals with it. Plug some rudder pedals in (I recommend the CH Pro Pedals, in USB flavor... You'll love the toe brakes). Thank you very much Jay for your time & patience and effort to help. Do I understand you correctly below? I definately have a "Logitech Wingman Attack 2" joystick (it says so right on the base) which has only one wire which is USB. This joystick has a trigger plus five buttons & one throttle slider. I do not see any place to plug in any rudder pedals into this joystick (as someone suggested) so I guess I have to add separate USB rudder-and-brake pedals as you kindly suggested. Since the pedals on my kid's "Logitech Formula GP Racing Wheel" use a tiny telephone hand-set jack (even smaller than a normal telephone jack), I really don't see how I can attach those existing car-driving gas-and-brake pedals (unless there is a telephone-to-usb or telephone-to-serial adapter out there). So, if I understand you correctly (and if I discount someone else's suggestion to use the existing pedals), does that mean I should buy the recommended set of rudder pedals & a USB splitter so I can plug both the CH Pro rudders and the joystick into the same USB port? |
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On 19-Feb-2005, "Jay Williams" wrote: I saw where Mikael has managed to get it to work. It sounds like his wheel / pedal combo uses one axis for the gas / brake (or else logitech has the ability to make it look that way to the computer). Just for the enlightning.. It is the logitech-driver that has the ability to switch between dual or single-axis behavior. The pedals are designed with dual-axis.. (think that goes with all of logitech's pedals...) Regards Mikael K -- Sorry.. no direct reply-email.. ;o) |
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Yes, you can use your wheels brake and throttle pedals as rudders.
My advice would be to download the Logitech controller software and configure things up before launching your game. Some games get mixed up when they see two controllers in use as well. It all depends. |
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