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Old October 10th 12, 03:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Le mardi 9 octobre 2012 13:40:07 UTC+2, Roel Baardman a écrit*:
In reply to the list of accidents with spinning:



Recently there was spin training (on a Fox) in The Netherlands. Out

of 20 instructors, only one got the Fox out of a spin without any

unintended maneuvers. Many instructors pulled to early after

stopping the rotation (and recovering the stall), causing a

spin/flick maneuver.

The one instructor that did it right the first time had extensive

aerobatic experience.



All I'm trying to say is: while it might appear from the statistics

that the Puchacz is at fault, other factors can also play a role.



Roel


Roel,

as an instructor, I would say that a double seater which tends to flick to the other side after spin recovery is a NoGo for basic instruction or first flight. With a Fox, it's ok - but it was designed for full aerobatics, and nbody would even think of using it as a basic trainer.

I have never flown the Puchaz, but looking at the statistics for spin accident with a FI on board, I tend to see an issue with this glider vs ASK's and the like.
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Old October 11th 12, 09:26 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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as an instructor, I would say that a double seater which tends to flick
to
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the other side after spin recovery is a NoGo for basic instruction or
first=
flight.


Agreed. But don't put the Puchacz 1, 2 and 3 on the same pile. The 3 is a
very different airplane than the 1 and 2, with longer rear fuse, larger
tail surfaces, larger tail controls, etc. Behaves quite differently in a
spin compared to the 1 and 2. I speak from experience.

I have never flown the Puchaz, but looking at the statistics for spin
accid=
ent with a FI on board, I tend to see an issue with this glider vs ASK's
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d the like.


And an apple tastes wholly different than an orange and the like. My point:
don't compare a glider that will spin with a glider that practically
doesn't when it comes to accidents. ;-)

If you ever get the chance to fly the Puch, grab it. You'll get to enjoy
the positive and experience the negative aspects of it (there other things:
it is relatively slow to pick up speed after a stall due to drag; the
airbrake caps rattle over 180 kmh; when landing with full airbrakes and
misjudging the flare it has a tendency to settle firmly).

Judging by its reputation I understand if people decide against buying (or
even flying) it. I just love flying it and *respect* its flight envelop
limitations. Just like I do in any glider that spins very well.

 




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