extra GA traffic noticed

The Bay Area has more small plane traffic this week.
I notice more out of state "N" numbers on those planes
flying, creating more NOISE.
It must be the all the bad weather back east causing
all the small planes to fly above me.

"daffy" wrote in message
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The Bay Area has more small plane traffic this week.
I notice more out of state "N" numbers on those planes
flying, creating more NOISE.

Noise is not "created", it's "produced".

Matter and Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Sound is a form of energy,
simply converted from another form of energy.

I don't remember the exact definition of noise, vs sound, but the sound made
by small aircraft is more like music than noise to me.

Steve Foley writes:

Noise is not "created", it's "produced".

The two terms are synonymous.

Matter and Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Sound is a form of energy,
simply converted from another form of energy.

No. Sound is a pressure gradient that moves over time.

I don't remember the exact definition of noise, vs sound, but the sound made
by small aircraft is more like music than noise to me.

All audible noise is sound, but not all sound is noise.

Small aircraft are unusually noisy, compared to their larger cousins. I
believe it comes mostly from propellers, especially when their blade tips
approach transonic speeds, and from engines, which don't seem to have much in
the way of noise-muffling equipment.

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daffy writes:

The Bay Area has more small plane traffic this week.
I notice more out of state "N" numbers on those planes
flying, creating more NOISE.
It must be the all the bad weather back east causing
all the small planes to fly above me.

AVWeb says this is going to be a record year for general aviation.

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AVWeb says this is going to be a record year for general aviation.

That's measuring the dollar value of new aircraft sales.

Look at the numbers, and you'll see that sales are a tiny fraction of
what they were in the 1970s.

:-(
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Jay Honeck writes:

AVWeb says this is going to be a record year for general aviation.

That's measuring the dollar value of new aircraft sales.

Look at the numbers, and you'll see that sales are a tiny fraction of
what they were in the 1970s.

Maybe if the prices were lower, more aircraft would be sold.

But I suppose airplane manufacterers care about total income, not the number
of aircraft sold.

I guess you just have to be even more rich now to fly than in the past.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Jay Honeck writes:

AVWeb says this is going to be a record year for general aviation.

That's measuring the dollar value of new aircraft sales.

Look at the numbers, and you'll see that sales are a tiny fraction of
what they were in the 1970s.

Maybe if the prices were lower, more aircraft would be sold.

But I suppose airplane manufacterers care about total income, not the number
of aircraft sold.

I guess you just have to be even more rich now to fly than in the past.

Gee, why didn't they think of that? Just make the planes cheaper to make and
they'll sell more!

Owen writes:

Gee, why didn't they think of that? Just make the planes cheaper to make and
they'll sell more!

Do you really think they are selling them at cost now?

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"Mxsmanic" wrote

I guess you just have to be even more rich now to fly than in the past.

I think it's more a matter of priorities and the choices we all make. Just
look at the "necessities" people spend their money on these days.

I got my private back when my wife and I were just starting out and with
almost nothing to our names. We didn't have cell phones, cable TV,
Nintendo, X-Box, Playstation, PCs, high speed internet access, or cars that
ran well. I spent my weekends fixing the things on the cars that broke
during the week, and the things that broke in the house. It really is a
hoot lying under a car in your driveway in the middle of a Wisconsin winter.

I know, it sounds like a cliche and I'm sure a few folks won't be able to
resist poking fun at this, but the fact is that almost anyone who wants it
bad enough can afford to get their pilot license. All it takes is a hard
look at what you think you "need", and a willingness to get a job or two -
my wife had one and I had two at the time.

Whining about not having enough money to do it won't make it happen. You
have to get off your derrier and actually do something to make it happen.

BDS

BDS writes:

I think it's more a matter of priorities and the choices we all make.

Certainly one can see if from that viewpoint, but the more expensive a hobby
becomes, the more skewed one's priorities must be in order to justify pursuing
it--_or_ the more rich one must be to pursue it without making terrific
sacrifices in other domains.

I know, it sounds like a cliche and I'm sure a few folks won't be able to
resist poking fun at this, but the fact is that almost anyone who wants it
bad enough can afford to get their pilot license.

No doubt, but as I said above, the more expensive it becomes, the more badly
and desperately one must want it (unless one is rich).

The fact is, the more expensive it becomes, the less likely general aviation
is to survive over the long term, as it gradually prices itself out of
existence. While a handful of wealthy people can extend the life of something
for a certain time, eventually they become too small in number to support some
of the fixed costs of infrastructure, and everything collapses.

All it takes is a hard
look at what you think you "need", and a willingness to get a job or two -
my wife had one and I had two at the time.

The problem is that you cannot promote or hope to preserve a hobby by limiting
it to people who are willing to sell a kidney just to practice it. The
availability of a few die-hards who will sell their own moms to get that
license isn't going to preserve general aviation as a whole. It has to be
reasonably accessible, or it will dry up and blow away.

Whining about not having enough money to do it won't make it happen.
You have to get off your derrier and actually do something to make it happen.

Perhaps I haven't made myself clear. To keep a hobby alive, you have to make
it accessible to a critical mass of the population. Telling people that if
they can't afford it, they're not dedicated enough is just shooting yourself
in the foot. They aren't going to become more dedicated; they're just going
to give up on the idea. And if there are too few people with the extreme
"dedication" required to pursue the hobby, there won't be enough to support
the infrastructure that it requires, and there will be none to speak out in
its favor when others wish to eliminate it.

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