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Dudley Henriques wrote: The U.S. women's soccer team has managed to create some new interest in soccer within the United States. Perhaps it will remain for awhile. It was a tiny blip of interest. They started a womens pro soccer league and it has already folded. Soccer will not ever be a spectator sport in the US. Ever. |
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Casey Wilson wrote: "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:40p_c.102614$9d6.102101@attbi_s54... Is this true? Do NASCAR attendances really exceed those of football (soccer)? I have no way to verify that -- it's just what the media has been spouting. I suppose it's not surprising, since a single race can have several hundred thousand "fans" in attendance. -- Jay Honeck The media out here in SoCal are claiming that the weekend's attendance at the Fontana Raceway will exceed the count at three NFL Super Bowls. According to: http://netscape.nascar.com/2004/news...30/california/ "92,000 -- The announced grandstand seating capacity of California Speedway. " The actual count is 92,109 according to the Speedway officials, but hey..... Oh, I should also point out that is the number of seats in the grandstands -- it does not include all the RVs parked around the infield. A NASCAR race gets more than any ONE footbal game. But more spectators than the NFL on any weekend? Not in a million years. |
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"Mike" wrote Jay, I checked the NASCAR site (http://www.nascar.com/2004/promos/20...world_drivers/) and I can only see them claiming to be the US's top spectator sport. I'll buy that - like you, I have no way to verify it. However, I can't believe it's the *world's* top spectator sport: football/soccer must pull in many more, whether on TV or at the stadiums. Figures lie, and liars figure. With that in mind, they could claim to be the #1 spectator sport, on the basis of # of fans per event, viewing it. That could be justified. Also, given the fact that fans throughout the country view the same NASCAR event at one time via TV, while other sports' fans are viewing their individual local games, would also stack stats in their favor... -- Jim in NC |
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"Newps" wrote in message ... Dudley Henriques wrote: The U.S. women's soccer team has managed to create some new interest in soccer within the United States. Perhaps it will remain for awhile. It was a tiny blip of interest. They started a womens pro soccer league and it has already folded. Soccer will not ever be a spectator sport in the US. Ever. You could very well be right. It would cost a fortune in riot control anyway. :-) DH |
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:41:52 GMT, Casey Wilson wrote:
The media out here in SoCal are claiming that the weekend's attendance at the Fontana Raceway will exceed the count at three NFL Super Bowls. and then this is still 'only' in the US. There is more to the globe than the US. :-) Cricket comes to mind .... AFAIK this is a very popular sport in Great Britain and all over their former colonies (read: India, Australia, ...). #m -- The more one is absorbed in fighting Evil, the less one is tempted to place the Good in question. (J.P. Sartre) |
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"Newps" wrote in message
... Casey Wilson wrote: "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:40p_c.102614$9d6.102101@attbi_s54... Is this true? Do NASCAR attendances really exceed those of football (soccer)? I have no way to verify that -- it's just what the media has been spouting. I suppose it's not surprising, since a single race can have several hundred thousand "fans" in attendance. -- Jay Honeck The media out here in SoCal are claiming that the weekend's attendance at the Fontana Raceway will exceed the count at three NFL Super Bowls. According to: http://netscape.nascar.com/2004/news...30/california/ "92,000 -- The announced grandstand seating capacity of California Speedway. " The actual count is 92,109 according to the Speedway officials, but hey..... Oh, I should also point out that is the number of seats in the grandstands -- it does not include all the RVs parked around the infield. A NASCAR race gets more than any ONE footbal game. But more spectators than the NFL on any weekend? Not in a million years. Let alone proper football, what you guys call soccer. John |
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Yes, a "sigh" is what I would expect from someone who would feel the
need to supply this tidbit of more or less obvious information to someone else who has spent a lifetime directly involved with the environment and hardly needs the information explained by someone who hasn't. I'll say one last thing about this, Dudley, and then we'll move on: Sorry if I ruffled your feathers, but my "obvious" examples were meant to expand on my ethical point -- not to "educate you" about air racing. Remember, I wasn't the one expressing dismay and surprise that someone would actually take a picture (or video) of a plane crash and its aftermath. Since, to me, this is the ultimate in "more or less obvious information" -- I was quite surprised that you were upset that someone would do this. Which is why I asked about your logic in the first place. Sorry I asked. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Cricket comes to mind .... AFAIK this is a very popular sport in Great
Britain and all over their former colonies (read: India, Australia, ...). I will be listening to the worldwide cricket results on the BBC shortly, on my way to the hotel. They're fun to listen to, even if I have no clue WHAT the hell they're talking about... ;-) -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:0_B_c.296222$eM2.104090@attbi_s51... Yes, a "sigh" is what I would expect from someone who would feel the need to supply this tidbit of more or less obvious information to someone else who has spent a lifetime directly involved with the environment and hardly needs the information explained by someone who hasn't. I'll say one last thing about this, Dudley, and then we'll move on: Sorry if I ruffled your feathers, but my "obvious" examples were meant to expand on my ethical point -- not to "educate you" about air racing. Remember, I wasn't the one expressing dismay and surprise that someone would actually take a picture (or video) of a plane crash and its aftermath. Since, to me, this is the ultimate in "more or less obvious information" -- I was quite surprised that you were upset that someone would do this. Which is why I asked about your logic in the first place. Sorry I asked. You don't have to be sorry you asked. The "problem" didn't occur because you "asked". The problem occurred because what you were "asking" and the reasons I have for objecting are two different issues that you see as one simple issue involving a simple definition of the ethics involved. The "ethics" that I was attacking and will always continue to attack are not as clearly cut as you would like to have them. The physical act of taking a picture at an air show disaster is only the tip of a large iceberg. The REASON for taking that picture, and what the photographer does with the picture after it's been taken is the area of my concern, NOT the fact that the picture was taken per se, which seems to be the crux of everything you have been attempting to "explain" to me. There is nothing improper about taking photographs or filming a video during an air race or air show disaster IF the reason for taking these pictures isn't prurient. A video shot as a record of the event or to be used as news of the event is one thing. That's ethical. A video of a crash used in a safety program designed to help prevent the same accident from happening again is more than ethical. It's advisable! On the other hand, there are those who take these photographs and film these videos for no other reason than their own prurient interest; a record for them personally to "enjoy" watching and to pass on to others in the public forum as their " the thrill of the day". Photographers who use these photographs in their "hobby" and present them to the public seeking only acclaim for their skill as photographers are completely unethical to us in the airshow community. These people, displaying an aspect of human nature that will unfortunately always be with us, are in my opinion unethical. On the airshow circuit we think of them as human leeches standing there with their cameras waiting for one of us to die so they can catch the moment on film to later be released by them for their own purpose unrelated to anything but their own amusement or profit. The only ethics involved with this issue are the ethics involved for the reasons the camera shutter clicks. There are good reasons and there are bad reasons. The photographers I have so strongly objected to are the one's with the "bad" reasons; the thrill seekers; the "hobbyists". Any race or airshow pilot will tell you that the existence of crash video is a given, and we understand that there will be pictures if something goes wrong for us. In a way, we welcome it, because it might help save another pilot's life, but none of us accept the leech photographers, the paparazzi type, who come to exploit us when something goes wrong. These "hobby" video people fit into the unethical category for us, and yes, we detest them! As for people outside the airshow community discussing an issue like this one with us; everyone of course has the right to an opinion, but it's better that you ASK, rather than TELL when you get into something as close to the show community as this issue. That's just a friendly suggestion. Pilots from the community don't mind opposing viewpoint. We do however, like a pilot to have some actual experience with what we do before expressing that opinion too loudly :-) I hope you and I have no hard feelings after this issue has been put down and can continue our Usenet association in a friendly manner. Thank you Dudley Henriques International Fighter Pilots Fellowship Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired For personal email, please replace the at with what goes there and take out the Z's please! dhenriquesZatZearthZlinkZdotZnet |
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