Gw Bush toy doll in flightgear - now available

Outgoing V. Incoming wrote in
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 06:51:47 GMT, Joseph wrote:

"Outgoing V. Incoming" wrote:

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:15:47 GMT, Joseph wrote:

You can wish it were true, but that doesn't change it.

You can read the text of Article 85 at-

Article 85 does not apply to anyone not on Federalized status.

That's what you don't seem to get.

Was GWBush a member of the armed forces or not?


He was a member of the Air National Guard not on active duty.


So his orders to report for duty
in Alabama were just suggestions?

Boy, no wonder he pulled so many
strings to get that cushy Guard posting...

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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Outgoing V. Incoming wrote in
:

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 06:51:47 GMT, Joseph wrote:

"Outgoing V. Incoming" wrote:

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:15:47 GMT, Joseph wrote:

You can wish it were true, but that doesn't change it.

You can read the text of Article 85 at-

Article 85 does not apply to anyone not on Federalized status.

That's what you don't seem to get.

Was GWBush a member of the armed forces or not?


He was a member of the Air National Guard not on active duty.


So his orders to report for duty
in Alabama were just suggestions?

Those Orders were not subject to the code section defining AWOL.

Boy, no wonder he pulled so many
strings to get that cushy Guard posting...

Not wanting to go to Viet Nam is not the same as not serving,

Gore's 4 month service tour of the whore houses of Saigon was less dangerous
than GW's being a fighter pilot. Besides that, the Kerry stategy is doomed
by Dean.

Bob Harrington wrote:

Joseph wrote:
Bob Harrington wrote:

Joseph wrote:
Mitchell Holman wrote:

(Grantland) wrote in news:3f3d4045.37561276@ct-
news.iafrica.com:

Mitchell Holman wrote:


Speaking of "lie-holes" (whatever that is),
what do you think of the following kneeslapper?


"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological
laboratories. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations
resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more
weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found
the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're
wrong, we found them."
George Bush, 5/31/03 regarding trailers Iraq bought from Britain
to inflate hydrogen gas balloons.

Little ****ing freak, in his little ****ing freaksuit. Cocky
little birdlike strutting freak. A twisted, deformed little
spirit utterly unworthy of the Presidency.

You heard it here.

Grantland

Wonder how long it will take the Loyalists
to resort to their "yea, well what about Clinton"
diversion.......

According to Article 85 of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military
Justice) Bush (the present) is a *deserter.*

You, of course, will provide evidence of his court martial and
conviction on these charges.

He never was. That's the problem.

For you and a few others, maybe. Doesn't seem to bother the other
99.99% of the country at all.

That, too, is the problem.

"Outgoing V. Incoming" wrote:

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 06:51:47 GMT, Joseph wrote:

"Outgoing V. Incoming" wrote:

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:15:47 GMT, Joseph wrote:

You can wish it were true, but that doesn't change it.

You can read the text of Article 85 at-

Article 85 does not apply to anyone not on Federalized status.

That's what you don't seem to get.

Was GWBush a member of the armed forces or not?

He was a member of the Air National Guard not on active duty.

Show me where it says a member of the ANG not on active duty is *not* a
member of the armed forces and I'll concede the point.

"Joseph" wrote in message
...
"Outgoing V. Incoming" wrote:

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 06:51:47 GMT, Joseph wrote:

"Outgoing V. Incoming" wrote:

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:15:47 GMT, Joseph wrote:

You can wish it were true, but that doesn't change it.

You can read the text of Article 85 at-

Article 85 does not apply to anyone not on Federalized status.

That's what you don't seem to get.

Was GWBush a member of the armed forces or not?

He was a member of the Air National Guard not on active duty.

Show me where it says a member of the ANG not on active duty is *not* a
member of the armed forces and I'll concede the point.


UNIFORM CODE of MILITARY JUSTICE

SUB CHAPTER I. GENERAL PROVISIONS

ARTICLE 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER

(a) The following persons are subject to this chapter:

(1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those
awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; volunteers
from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; inductees
from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and other
persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in
the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the
call or order to obey it.

(2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman.

(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in
the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the
Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service.

(4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are
entitled to pay.

(5) Retired members of a reserve component who are receiving
hospitalization from an armed force.

(6) Members of the Fleet Reserve and Fleet Marine Corps Reserve.

(7) Persons in custody of the armed forces serving a sentence imposed by a
court-martial.

(8) Members of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Public
Health Service, and other organizations, when assigned to and serving with
the armed forces.

(9) Prisoners of war in custody of the armed forces.

(10) In time of war, persons serving with or accompanying an armed force
in the field.

(11) Subject to any treaty or agreement to which the United States is or
may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons serving
with, employed by, or accompanying the armed forces outside the United
States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam,
and the Virgin Islands.

(12) Subject to any treaty or agreement to which the United States is or
may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons within an
area leased by or otherwise reserved or acquired for use of the United
States which is under the control of the Secretary concerned and which is
outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of
Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands. (b) The voluntary enlistment of
any person who has the capacity to understand the significance of enlisting
in the armed forces shall be valid for purposes of jurisdiction under
subsection (a) and change of status from civilian to member of the armed
forces shall be effective upon the taking of the oath of enlistment. (c)
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person serving with an armed
force who--(1) Submitted voluntarily to military authority; (2) met the
mental competence and minimum age qualifications of sections 504 and 505 of
this title at the time of voluntary submissions to military authority: (3)
received military pay or allowances; and (4) performed military duties: is
subject to this chapter until such person's active service has been
terminated in accordance with law or regulations promulgated by the
Secretary concerned. (d) (1) A member of a reserve component who is not on
active duty and who is made the subject of proceedings under section 815
(article 15) or section 830 (article 30) with respect to an offense against
this chapter may be ordered to active duty involuntary for the purpose
of-(A) investigation under section 832 of this title (article 32); (B) trial
by court-martial; or (C) non judicial punishment under section 815 of this
title (article 15). (2) A member of a reserve component may not be ordered
to
active duty under paragraph (1) except with respect to an offense committed
while the member was (A) on active duty; or (B) on inactive-duty training,
but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States
or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal service.
(3) Authority to order a member to active duty under paragraph (1) shall be
exercised under regulations prescribed by the President. (4) A member may be
ordered to active duty under paragraph (1) only by a person empowered to
convene general courts-martial in a regular component of the armed forces.
(5) A member ordered to active duty under paragraph (1), unless the order to
active duty was approved by the Secretary concerned, may not-(A) be
sentenced to confinement; or (B) be required to serve a punishment of any
restriction on liberty during a period other than a period of inactive-duty
training or active duty (other than active duty ordered under paragraph (1).

Yes, Republicans are SO good at naming and labeling. The Dem's should do
the same by calling and labeling Rep's as greedy neo-fascist's who's
only real religion is money and power.

You mean the Dems don't already do that?


SMH

"Outgoing V. Incoming" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:35:00 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:

He was a member of the Air National Guard not on active duty.


So his orders to report for duty
in Alabama were just suggestions?

Those Orders were not subject to the code section defining AWOL.


I think it's hopeless trying to reason with this guy. He has no
interest in facts, just his hate for Bush. You'd think he and his ilk
would want to concentrate on real issues and not false ones.

There are so many of those raging about, thinking they will somehow avenge
Clinton.

If he really wanted to buy a clue, I might loan him the money. Might.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Joseph" wrote in message
...
"Outgoing V. Incoming" wrote:

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 06:51:47 GMT, Joseph wrote:

"Outgoing V. Incoming" wrote:

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:15:47 GMT, Joseph wrote:

You can wish it were true, but that doesn't change it.

You can read the text of Article 85 at-

Article 85 does not apply to anyone not on Federalized status.

That's what you don't seem to get.

Was GWBush a member of the armed forces or not?

He was a member of the Air National Guard not on active duty.

Show me where it says a member of the ANG not on active duty is *not* a
member of the armed forces and I'll concede the point.


UNIFORM CODE of MILITARY JUSTICE

SUB CHAPTER I. GENERAL PROVISIONS

ARTICLE 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER

(a) The following persons are subject to this chapter:

(1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those
awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; volunteers
from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; inductees
from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and other
persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in
the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the
call or order to obey it.

(2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman.

(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in
the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the
Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service.

Thank you. That's what I've been looking for. I hereby concede and
agree with you that GWBush was never a member of the armed forces of the
United States of America.

Joseph wrote:
Bob Harrington wrote:

Joseph wrote:
Bob Harrington wrote:

Joseph wrote:
Mitchell Holman wrote:

(Grantland) wrote in
news:3f3d4045.37561276@ct- news.iafrica.com:

Mitchell Holman wrote:


Speaking of "lie-holes" (whatever that is),
what do you think of the following kneeslapper?


"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological
laboratories. They're illegal. They're against the United
Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And
we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say
we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned
weapons, they're wrong, we found them."
George Bush, 5/31/03 regarding trailers Iraq bought from
Britain to inflate hydrogen gas balloons.

Little ****ing freak, in his little ****ing freaksuit. Cocky
little birdlike strutting freak. A twisted, deformed little
spirit utterly unworthy of the Presidency.

You heard it here.

Grantland

Wonder how long it will take the Loyalists
to resort to their "yea, well what about Clinton"
diversion.......

According to Article 85 of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military
Justice) Bush (the present) is a *deserter.*

You, of course, will provide evidence of his court martial and
conviction on these charges.

He never was. That's the problem.

For you and a few others, maybe. Doesn't seem to bother the other
99.99% of the country at all.

That, too, is the problem.

So... it's a problem that it wasn't a problem for Bush' commanding
officers; but it's not a problem that it ~is~ a problem for folks such
as yourself who apparently had far more direct knowledge and awareness
of the situation than said commanding officers...?

Outgoing V. Incoming wrote in
:

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:35:00 -0700, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:

He was a member of the Air National Guard not on active duty.


So his orders to report for duty
in Alabama were just suggestions?

Those Orders were not subject to the code section defining AWOL.


I think it's hopeless trying to reason with this guy. He has no
interest in facts, just his hate for Bush. You'd think he and his ilk
would want to concentrate on real issues and not false ones.

If he really wanted to buy a clue, I might loan him the money. Might.


Funny how the same people who claimed
Clinton "dodged the draft" are now twisting
themselves into pretzles to claim that
Bush was not AWOL.