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Question about TRSA - KPSP
wrote in message ... Yes that is a good point. I guess we can call it TRSA SPAM since we have to "OPT out." :) They way the controllers handle it is that if you contact tower they switch you to approch unless you "OPT out." Just the fact that you are contacting them they then assume you want TRSA services. I guess if you look at it from a safety point of view then the "OPT out" method might be in everyones best interest. But ultimately it is your choice. FAA Order 7110.65 contains the note below under TRSA Departure Information. It says nothing at all about TRSA arrivals. NOTE- Departing aircraft are assumed to want TRSA service unless the pilot states, "negative TRSA service," or makes a similar comment. Pilots are expected to inform the controller of intended destination and/or route of flight and altitude. |
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ATC phraseology in training
Jay Maynard writes:
Part of the good stuff about the simulator is that it has simulated air traffic, settable by the instructor - and the student controls it by talking just as he would on the radio. Most voice recognition systems have a limited vocabulary. This one turns that into a featu if the student doesn't use the proper phraseology, the system doesn't recognize it. I don't know if it silently ignores it, or returns a "huh?"; I didn't try that - but when I told it "American 1446, cleared to land runway three two left", it had no trouble dealing with that. Nifty. Students come out of that class with the proper language ingrained. Try VATSIM. |
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ATC phraseology in training
Jim Logajan writes:
Interesting. I previously hadn't noticed the unusual language order that is required. I believe the dominant sentence structure in English is subject- verb-object (SVO). In this case, it is not a complete sentence, however. It is just a string of sentence fragments. |
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ATC phraseology in training
On Tue, 20 May 2008 20:38:23 -0500, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "Jim Logajan" wrote in message . .. Interesting. I previously hadn't noticed the unusual language order that is required. I believe the dominant sentence structure in English is subject- verb-object (SVO). Unless I'm mistaken (probably!) the phrasing of that imperative is in SOV order. I suppose the FAA has a sound reason for requiring such an unusual ordering. I don't know what the reasoning was, to the best of my knowledge that phraseology has been unchanged for at least fifteen years. In recent history the requirements imposed by FAA orders have been void of sound reasoning. Recent history? |
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Question about TRSA - KPSP
Wow. I am feeling really dumb. I thought that all the TRSA's went away and
became either ARSA's or nothing when the airspace was reclassified many years ago. wrote in message ... The other day I was flying to KPSP (Palm Springs, CA, Class D) which is in a TRSA which I was not participating in. I was about 10 miles out and called tower to get setup for landing and they told me to contact approach. I switch to approach and told them I wanted to land and the controller started freaking out on me saying I should have called him a long time ago, etc..... I was then sequenced to land and all was fine.... My question is that since TRSA is voluntary why did the tower switch me to Approach. I flyout out of another Class D airport and everything is handled with the tower. I thought I was doint things correctly... Thanks for your help. |
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Question about TRSA - KPSP
On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:01:16 -0400, "pgbnh"
wrote: Wow. I am feeling really dumb. I thought that all the TRSA's went away and became either ARSA's or nothing when the airspace was reclassified many years ago. We still have a few in the Northeast. Great DE oral fodder. G |
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Question about TRSA - KPSP
wrote in message ... Yes that is a good point. I guess we can call it TRSA SPAM since we have to "OPT out." :) They way the controllers handle it is that if you contact tower they switch you to approch unless you "OPT out." Just the fact that you are contacting them they then assume you want TRSA services. I guess if you look at it from a safety point of view then the "OPT out" method might be in everyones best interest. But ultimately it is your choice. Departures have to "opt out" of TRSA services, but not arrivals. FAA Order 7110.65 contains the note below under TRSA Departure Information. It says nothing at all about TRSA arrivals. NOTE- Departing aircraft are assumed to want TRSA service unless the pilot states, "negative TRSA service," or makes a similar comment. Pilots are expected to inform the controller of intended destination and/or route of flight and altitude. When you're departing it's unknown if you want TRSA services, wanting them has been deemed to be the default condition. Tower controllers are instructed to assume departure aircraft want them unless the pilot declines. But there's no similar mystery with arrival aircraft. If the arriving pilot contacts the tower without first having called approach it should be assumed he's not interested in TRSA services because he would have called approach if he wanted them. If the pilot contacts approach it should be assumed he wants TRSA services because he wouldn't be calling approach if he didn't want them. |
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Question about TRSA - KPSP
Really? I am in the Northeast - where are the TRSA's?
"B A R R Y" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:01:16 -0400, "pgbnh" wrote: Wow. I am feeling really dumb. I thought that all the TRSA's went away and became either ARSA's or nothing when the airspace was reclassified many years ago. We still have a few in the Northeast. Great DE oral fodder. G |
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Question about TRSA - KPSP
"pgbnh" wrote in message
. .. Really? I am in the Northeast - where are the TRSA's? Utica NY, Elmira NY, Wilkes-Barre PA, Harrisburg PA, Erie PA, but I suppose it depends on what you consider the Northeast to be. |
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Question about TRSA - KPSP
On Thu, 22 May 2008 12:30:28 -0400, "pgbnh"
wrote: Really? I am in the Northeast - where are the TRSA's? Utica, Binghamton, Elmira, and Scranton. All are on the NY VFR Sectional. Got charts? G |
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