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Flarm Audio and Towplanes
"Hopefully someone from the Flarm team can shed a light."
Yeah, that would be a welcome and refreshing change! |
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On 9/06/2012 08:49, Bob Gibbons wrote:
Just to clarify, the replies on how to integrate the PowerFlarm's portable audio port into a headset are interesting. However, what I really wanted to know is the operating experience of non-US towplane operators using the classic PowerFlarm (which does not have audio). Has this proven to be a serious deficiency, or have your tow pilots managed to manage with the purely visual threat warnings from the display itself? OzFlarms destined for tugs were modded by Nigel with an audio output to be wired into the headset. Without that the normal audio is useless in a tug. GC Bob On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:07:33 -0500, Bob wrote: Question: How have Flarm users around the world handled the lack of audio intercom output in the standard Flarm unit when installed in towplanes? Is the simple visual LED output on the Flarm display adequate, or have you had to add auxiliary audio intercom capability to the Flarm for your towplanes? As we in the U.S. prepare to deploy PowerFlarm into our fleet, we will have to deal with this installation issue into our towplanes. In an unfortunate decision (my opinion), Flarm has opted to delete from the "brick" model the intercom audio output that is part of the "portable". We are faced with the decision to either use the brick in our towplanes with no audio alert, or integrate the portable model, having to add external displays and antenna to this otherwise self-contained unit. What have others found regarding the need for an auxiliary headset audio output when towing with the Flarm? Thanks Bob |
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On Jun 9, 7:13*am, GC wrote:
On 9/06/2012 08:49, Bob Gibbons wrote: Just to clarify, the replies on how to integrate the PowerFlarm's portable audio port into a headset are interesting. However, what I really wanted to know is the operating experience of non-US towplane operators using the classic PowerFlarm (which does not have audio). Has this proven to be a serious deficiency, or have your tow pilots managed to manage with the purely visual threat warnings from the display itself? OzFlarms destined for tugs were modded by Nigel with an audio output to be wired into the headset. Without that the normal audio is useless in a tug. GC Bob On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:07:33 -0500, Bob wrote: Question: How have Flarm users around the world handled the lack of audio intercom output in the standard Flarm unit when installed in towplanes? Is the simple visual LED output on the Flarm display adequate, or have you had to add auxiliary audio intercom capability to the Flarm for your towplanes? As we in the U.S. prepare to deploy PowerFlarm into our fleet, we will have to deal with this installation issue into our towplanes. In an unfortunate decision (my opinion), Flarm has opted to delete from the "brick" model the intercom audio output that is part of the "portable". We are faced with the decision to either use the brick in our towplanes with no audio alert, or integrate the portable model, having to add external displays and antenna to this otherwise self-contained unit. What have others found regarding the need for an auxiliary headset audio output when towing with the Flarm? Thanks Bob The only connection to the display units is the 6 pin RJ45 cable from the FLARM unit. There aren't any lines available for audio. The Butterfly display manual refers to an internal audio unit. The mounting for the rectangular display only lists a single small square hole for the RJ45. It really looks like a dead end without a physical redesign of the unit. The only way to get separate audio output is to install the portable. -- Matt |
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On Saturday, June 9, 2012 4:13:13 AM UTC-7, GC wrote:
Without that the normal audio is useless in a tug. GC I'd say it's far from useless. I fly a Pawnee without audio connected and simply include the PowerFlarm in my scan. It gives valuable information, though I agree connecting the audio is better - - and we plan to do that. The PF is my Husky has a super bright LED as an alarm annunciator, which for me is just as good as an audio alarm. bumper |
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On 10/06/2012 13:04, bumper wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2012 4:13:13 AM UTC-7, GC wrote: Without that the normal audio is useless in a tug. GC I'd say it's far from useless. I fly a Pawnee without audio connected and simply include the PowerFlarm in my scan. It gives valuable information, though I agree connecting the audio is better - - and we plan to do that. The PF is my Husky has a super bright LED as an alarm annunciator, which for me is just as good as an audio alarm. bumper I said the AUDIO was useless, not Flarm. Scanning the PF and adding big LEDs is visual, not audible and neither is 'just as good' as having it fed into your headset. The OP asked if the built-in Flarm audio was useful in a tug and that's what I replied to. Our Club's experience is that it's not. I'd also repeat the bit you deleted. OzFlarms intended for tugs were modded by their manufacturer (using a soldering iron) to have a lead to feed the audio into the headset. Surely if it can be done this far from civilisation, something similar can be arranged in the centre of the known world without everyone having to whine at the designer. I'd also say that that was about 5 years ago. Flarmboy (Nigel) got a licence, got the radio approvals locally and manufactured and sold them himself. Most Oz gliders have had Flarm for several years. I'd guess that something similar could have been done by an enterprising person in the US but...? GC |
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