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More flaps?
I watched the terrible carsh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more flaps? Cheers |
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More flaps?
On Apr 26, 11:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
WingFlaps wrote in news:e72db2f5-efc4-4b45-87a1- : I watched the terrible carsh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more flaps? doubt it. reducing the Aoa slightly might have gotten him out of it if he used a very deft touch doing it and he did it shortly after getting airborne, but it's hard to tell if he ever had a chance without more data. My thinking was that by putting out more flaps he would immediately go up the backside of the curve and increase ground effect too. Then he might have been able to drop the nose a bit and accelerate? Whether this would have worked is, of course, moot, but I was thinking would this be a viable option or would it make everything worse? Cheers |
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More flaps?
WingFlaps wrote in
: On Apr 26, 11:23*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: WingFlaps wrote in news:e72db2f5-efc4-4b45-87a1- : I watched the terrible carsh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaimogfse9c I was wondering, after he got on the backside of the power curve and committed to flight, could he have recovered it by putting out more flaps? doubt it. reducing the Aoa slightly might have gotten him out of it if he used a very deft touch doing it and he did it shortly after getting airborne, but it's hard to tell if he ever had a chance without more data. My thinking was that by putting out more flaps he would immediately go up the backside of the curve and increase ground effect too. Then he might have been able to drop the nose a bit and accelerate? Whether this would have worked is, of course, moot, but I was thinking would this be a viable option or would it make everything worse? Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added the first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though. Bertie |
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More flaps?
On Apr 26, 11:36 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added the first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though. Yup Flap was the least of his worries. You -have to- lower the nose to gain flying speed. A very unnatural thing for the untrained to do with the scenery going by so close.. |
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More flaps?
george wrote:
On Apr 26, 11:36 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Well, increasing flap always increases drag and never really improves things. he already has some out but if he hadn't any out and added the first notch it might have helped him a bit. Doubt it though. Yup Flap was the least of his worries. You -have to- lower the nose to gain flying speed. A very unnatural thing for the untrained to do with the scenery going by so close.. I could be wrong as I haven't really studied the tape although I have seen it several times, but it might very well be that he actually rotated and sustained deep behind the curve. Lord only knows where his aft cg was with it packed like it was. If this was the case, he could very well have been doomed from rotation if he was so deep that all available power was being used. If he tried to raise the nose to gain even a foot more of altitude, this would start a sink rate that only lowering the nose and reducing the AOA would fix. No altitude to do that and the only outcome would have been the crash. -- Dudley Henriques |
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More flaps?
Here's a more complete version of that video, from our video site:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...loaded-172.wmv This heart-breaking video shows the departure and subsequent crash of a Cessna 182 in a remote region of Colombia. The pilot was a director/volunteer for the Bogota Civil Air Patrol. They were transporting a patient on oxygen and the patient's mother to a hospital in Cali. The contributor notes: "The first words the pilot spoke at the beginning of the video instructs the passenger in the middle of the seat, next to the pilot, to 'Put your feet back and do not touch the pedals for nothing.' We do not yet know the cause of the accident and probably will never know." The pilot was the only person to survive, but later died in the hospital. The burning building at the end is an empty school. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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More flaps?
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:sPtQj.82494$TT4.13435@attbi_s22: Here's a more complete version of that video, from our video site: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...12-Overloaded- 1 72.wmv This heart-breaking video shows the departure and subsequent crash of a Cessna 182 in a remote region of Colombia. The pilot was a director/volunteer for the Bogota Civil Air Patrol. They were transporting a patient on oxygen and the patient's mother to a hospital in Cali. The contributor notes: "The first words the pilot spoke at the beginning of the video instructs the passenger in the middle of the seat, next to the pilot, to 'Put your feet back and do not touch the pedals for nothing.' We do not yet know the cause of the accident and probably will never know." The pilot was the only person to survive, but later died in the hospital. The burning building at the end is an empty school. Pretty sick, using an accidnet to promote your fleapit hotel. Bertie |
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More flaps?
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. . "Jay Honeck" wrote in news:sPtQj.82494$TT4.13435@attbi_s22: Here's a more complete version of that video, from our video site: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...12-Overloaded- 1 72.wmv This heart-breaking video shows the departure and subsequent crash of a Cessna 182 in a remote region of Colombia. The pilot was a director/volunteer for the Bogota Civil Air Patrol. They were transporting a patient on oxygen and the patient's mother to a hospital in Cali. The contributor notes: "The first words the pilot spoke at the beginning of the video instructs the passenger in the middle of the seat, next to the pilot, to 'Put your feet back and do not touch the pedals for nothing.' We do not yet know the cause of the accident and probably will never know." The pilot was the only person to survive, but later died in the hospital. The burning building at the end is an empty school. Pretty sick, using an accidnet to promote your fleapit hotel. Bertie God, you're so jealous of his aviation related business. Maybe you could wash planes or something, hell anything to get in to aviation. |
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