Another Cirrus crash

A four-place Cirrus crashed yesterday near Greenwood, SC. There were
not many details in the paper this morning. There were four on board,
all killed. It went down in a wooded area near a golf course shortly
after takeoff. There was no mention of a parachute deployment. They
had arrived a few hours before for a business meeting and did not
refuel before takeoff, but in the picture it appeared that the
aircraft was destroyed by fire after impact so there must have been
fuel on board.

(James L. Freeman) wrote in
om:

A four-place Cirrus crashed yesterday near Greenwood, SC. There were
not many details in the paper this morning. There were four on board,
all killed. It went down in a wooded area near a golf course shortly
after takeoff. There was no mention of a parachute deployment. They
had arrived a few hours before for a business meeting and did not
refuel before takeoff, but in the picture it appeared that the
aircraft was destroyed by fire after impact so there must have been
fuel on board.


Yup, as much as we put down the zzzz guy... it was on his site just after
midnight last night, and this is the first I've seen it other than
there....

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

What is it about these that has them involved in so many
crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some
gotchas with them?


"James L. Freeman" wrote in message
om...
A four-place Cirrus crashed yesterday near Greenwood, SC. There were
not many details in the paper this morning. There were four on board,
all killed. It went down in a wooded area near a golf course shortly
after takeoff. There was no mention of a parachute deployment. They
had arrived a few hours before for a business meeting and did not
refuel before takeoff, but in the picture it appeared that the
aircraft was destroyed by fire after impact so there must have been
fuel on board.

"Otis Winslow" wrote in message


What is it about these that has them involved in so many
crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some
gotchas with them?

Rusty pilots?

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John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
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"John T" wrote in message
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"Otis Winslow" wrote in message


What is it about these that has them involved in so many
crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some
gotchas with them?

Rusty pilots?

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
____________________


Slick airframe, glass cockpit with an analog pilot and a goofy side-stick
are a few problems. A good plane for wannabe airline pilots who don't like
to look out the windows. "Stall? It dosen't say on this here tv screen that
I'm in a stall... Whoops, wrong channel..."

Quality control seems to be on par with Lightspeed, meaning they're in the
shop more than a British car. They look good and are very comfortable. But
it's the only airplane I've ever flown that I can say I truly hated and
couldn't wait to be back on the ground.

But
it's the only airplane I've ever flown that I can say I truly hated and
couldn't wait to be back on the ground.

Wow, you're the only person I've ever heard say *THAT* about the Cirrus.

What didn't you like about the way it flew?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article , Otis Winslow
wrote:

What is it about these that has them involved in so many
crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some
gotchas with them?

Thurman Munson syndrome?

"FUji" wrote in
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"John T" wrote in message
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"Otis Winslow" wrote in message


What is it about these that has them involved in so many
crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some
gotchas with them?

Rusty pilots?

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
____________________


Slick airframe, glass cockpit with an analog pilot and a goofy
side-stick are a few problems. A good plane for wannabe airline
pilots who don't like to look out the windows. "Stall? It dosen't say
on this here tv screen that I'm in a stall... Whoops, wrong
channel..."

Quality control seems to be on par with Lightspeed, meaning they're in
the shop more than a British car. They look good and are very
comfortable. But it's the only airplane I've ever flown that I can
say I truly hated and couldn't wait to be back on the ground.



I'm brand new to avaition, I;ve only been behind the controls of 2
planes, each twice around the pattern: One an SR22, and one 194-
something ercoupe ... but I liked the "goofy" sidestick... :-)

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

It is kind of disconcerting to see this happening, but keep in mind that it
may not be statistically significant compared to the crash rate of Cessnas,
Pipers, Beeches, etc... I expect that we're all a bit more aware of Cirrus
right now because of the recent BRS deployment, so any news regarding Cirrus
is going to be noticed more now than it would be at another point in time.

Someone mentioned they hate the plane... I have yet to fly in one, but I
know it certainly offers everything I could hope to want in a small general
aviation plane (except for the bathroom for my wife!) It's roomy,
redundant, and fast. I really like the idea of the side stick... that must
make dealing with charts soooooo much easier with all the space freed up in
front of you. Not to mention more room for the three course meal mid-flight.


I am concerned though about the incidents I've been hearing about all of the
systems failing simultaneously. That is certainly not something I would
expect to happen with a plane with dual redundant electrical systems.
Especially not one costing over $300k. BRS is nice, but again, there is no
substitute for training, practice, and more training to keep yourself
current. Right now, I'm more than comfortable with the 172SP, and would love
to fly an SR-22... it would make getting from NJ to Atlanta much zippier...
but I know my experience level has a ways to go before I'm ready for the
challenge of stepping up to something faster and more complex.

--
Guy Elden Jr.

"Otis Winslow" wrote in message
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What is it about these that has them involved in so many
crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some
gotchas with them?


"James L. Freeman" wrote in message
om...
A four-place Cirrus crashed yesterday near Greenwood, SC. There were
not many details in the paper this morning. There were four on board,
all killed. It went down in a wooded area near a golf course shortly
after takeoff. There was no mention of a parachute deployment. They
had arrived a few hours before for a business meeting and did not
refuel before takeoff, but in the picture it appeared that the
aircraft was destroyed by fire after impact so there must have been
fuel on board.

I haven't said it quite as strongly as that, but it was kind of
how I felt after my SR20 experiences. OTOH the SR22 is
a different kettle of fish, at least it has enough power.
The sidestick is honestly no big deal, although the fact that
the electric trim is so fast you can't trim the plane for hands-off
flying (and therefore have to use the autopilot) IS.

I'm baffled by why the loss rate is so high for this airplane.
My wife's theory - which I am too polite to repeat - is that
the plane attracts the wrong kind of pilot. Honestly it's just
about like any other plane to fly, it has its idiosyncracies but
they're no big deal. In any case if they carry on going down
at the present rate they'll soon be uninsurable.

John

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:vighc.35327$yD1.101224@attbi_s54...
But
it's the only airplane I've ever flown that I can say I truly hated and
couldn't wait to be back on the ground.

Wow, you're the only person I've ever heard say *THAT* about the Cirrus.

What didn't you like about the way it flew?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"