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Hey, Roger: Any change that you could provide a reference to that letter
(ie. a place online from which I could print this out)? It's something I think my club should see. Whhat Andrew said! I would really like a copy of this. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 |
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Joe Johnson opined
Last week, as I returned to my rental FBO after an evening local flight, the clerk on duty said an instructor and his student were stuck at an airport about 40 minutes away. I spoke to the instructor on the phone and I agreed to fly up and bring them back. He mentioned that, of course, I wouldn't have to pay for the aircraft time. Did I violate the terms of my PPL by accepting free time in the airplane as "compensation" for picking them up and bringing them back? Should I therefore have paid a proportional share of the costs? You broke the rules. A good quick test: Unless you are worse off financially after a flight, you are doing something wrong. -ash Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil? |
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In article .net,
"Geoffrey Barnes" wrote: Whhat Andrew said! I would really like a copy of this. Yeah, I'd like to see this letter also. I can't believe this guy was in violation. If he was then anyone who uses a friends airplane would be just as "guilty". -- Dale L. Falk There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing around with airplanes. http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html |
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"Newps" wrote in message ... Dave S wrote: Is your neighbor logging the driving time in his logbook for the furtherance of a commercial drivers license?? At the point where the needed hours are logged and any further hours don't help in that regard does it suddenly get legal? I've pondered the same question. What is legal is a grey area and I think the question is whether the FAA would try to prosecute under those circumstances when you have the strong argument that the "free" time has no commercial value to you. Perhaps if you *really* annoyed someone there they would go after you but normally I would suspect something like this is well under their radar. |
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"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message ... A good quick test: Unless you are worse off financially after a flight, you are doing something wrong. I know you meant this part humorously, but this cannot be right, since you are allowed to fly "in furtherance of your business," which would leave you financially ahead. |
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Bill Denton wrote: Is my neighbor's usage of my car "compensation", placing him in violation of the licensing laws? If your hypothetical State requires a certain number of hours driving cars like yours to qualify for a chaffeur's license, yes. George Patterson If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people he gives it to. |
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Peter Gottlieb wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message ... Dave S wrote: Is your neighbor logging the driving time in his logbook for the furtherance of a commercial drivers license?? At the point where the needed hours are logged and any further hours don't help in that regard does it suddenly get legal? I've pondered the same question. Using this reasoning, simply not logging the hours - or otherwise not counting them towards anything - would convert this from illegal to legal. Weird...but this is the FAA under discussion, recall laugh. I'd really love to read this letter. If the issue is the counting of time towards a rating, then not counting the time might be a loophole. If the issue, though, is getting flight time - ie. time when we're enjoying ourselves - for free, then no loophole. Well...we could put in our log the comment "didn't have fun", or some such laugh. But who'd believe that? - Andrew |
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"Joe Johnson" wrote in message om...
Last week, as I returned to my rental FBO after an evening local flight, the clerk on duty said an instructor and his student were stuck at an airport about 40 minutes away. I spoke to the instructor on the phone and I agreed to fly up and bring them back. He mentioned that, of course, I wouldn't have to pay for the aircraft time. Did I violate the terms of my PPL by accepting free time in the airplane as "compensation" for picking them up and bringing them back? Should I therefore have paid a proportional share of the costs? The FAA has said in the past that flying for free is compensation and requires a commercial. For CFIs its very easy since we already have a commercial, we just need to keep up our class 2 medical. Most CFIs do because it allows you to do the occasional local sight seeing pax too. -Robert |
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The FAA has said in the past that flying for free is compensation and
requires a commercial. For CFIs its very easy since we already have a commercial, we just need to keep up our class 2 medical. Most CFIs do because it allows you to do the occasional local sight seeing pax too. -Robert What if you did the "rescue" flight but you DID NOT log the hours? Would that count? Or would you get in trouble for some OTHER rule violation for not logging some hours you actually flew? take care Blll |
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Here is the letter:
http://baldeagleflyingclub.org/FAAopinion.pdf I apologize for the crappy quality. AOPA faxed it to me while my cartridge was on its last legs. I wouldn't let your club get too worked up over this for the reasons described above. You might want to ask your FSDO though as attitudes and interpretations vary from district to district. Basically, if you think you have found a cute way to interpret the rules that lets you rack up a significant amount of free flying, you are probably in violation; especially if your primary purpose would appear to a reasonable person to be getting the free flying. If it is fairly clear that an occasional violation of a non-safety related rule like this one is incidental to another purpose, such as helping someone out or getting a club airplane moved, it is very unlikely that the FAA would take an interest. They can barely keep track of the airlines and the 135 operators. The insurance company will probably follow the same dynamics but you should check with them. I have had excellent experience discussing things like this very frankly with Avemco. You get points with them for asking and appearing to be concerned and attempting to do the right thing. They'll remember that if there is an incident. -- Roger Long "Andrew Gideon" wrote in message online.com... James M. Knox wrote: Roger gave you the correct answer. Hey, Roger: Any change that you could provide a reference to that letter (ie. a place online from which I could print this out)? It's something I think my club should see. [...] So where *does* the rare action come from? What about a case where an accident occurs during the "free" flight? Could an insurance company use this to create additional problems? - Andrew |
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