SeeYou Single Person License

Jim Vincent wrote:
And that license, if selling in the US, has to comply with US law.

Regarding the license on his version, there is no way of transferring a
license. The key might allow 1-2 installs only.

He emailed them.

"01-- Zero One" wrote
in message ...

"Jim Vincent" wrote in
message :

Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a
friend at a
reduced cost?




Because he doesn’t own the software. He only has a license to use
it and that license has conditions on it.



From SeeYou’s point of view, how can they know that your friend is
not still using it after he has “sold” the license to you?

Zero One

USA


Erazem and company put a lot of work into the product. They decide how they want
to sell it. In this case you are buying a contractual right of use, not a
tangible product.

If you agree to the license restrictions at point of purchase, to me at any rate
you have a ethical obligation to comply with the rules. I don't care what arcane
laws you can find to justify a different position. It may be - in some bent way
"legal" in the USA, but it is unethical.

And then people wonder why products like Flarm are kept form the US market.

At 19:42 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:

'Nyal Williams' wrote in message
...
'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.


This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As
part of the sale, he
would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not
receive a physical disc
(it is a download), he would give me the license key
specific to one user.

A license is personal and not transferable; try to
borrow or buy someone else's driver's license. Read
your agreement with Microsoft; read his agreement with
SeeYou.

"Jim Vincent" wrote in message
:

"Nyal Williams" wrote in message
...
'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.


This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As part of the sale, he
would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not receive a physical disc
(it is a download), he would give me the license key specific to one user.




Jim,



There is _NO WAY_ that they can be sure that the "seller" has removed it
completely from his system. The only true licensing schemes that work
are some _very_ onerous online licensing schemes, dongles, etc. that I
can assure you, you _really_ don't want to get into.... (read: Pain In
The Butt).



It is a good program, worth every penny. If you want to use it, pay
them. Or don't use it. Your choice. Simple as that.



My $0.02.



Zero One

USA

"Nyal Williams" wrote in message
...
At 19:42 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:

'Nyal Williams' wrote in message
...
'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.


This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As
part of the sale, he
would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not
receive a physical disc
(it is a download), he would give me the license key
specific to one user.

A license is personal and not transferable; try to
borrow or buy someone else's driver's license. Read
your agreement with Microsoft; read his agreement with
SeeYou.


A Driver's license is a totally different issue and not related here. Go
buy MS and you can transfer the license.

"01-- Zero One" wrote in message . ..
"Jim Vincent" wrote in message :

"Nyal Williams" wrote in message
...
'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.


This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As part of the sale, he
would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not receive a physical disc
(it is a download), he would give me the license key specific to one user.




Jim,



There is _NO WAY_ that they can be sure that the "seller" has removed it completely from his system. The only true licensing schemes that work are some _very_ onerous online licensing schemes, dongles, etc. that I can assure you, you _really_ don't want to get into.... (read: Pain In The Butt).



It is a good program, worth every penny. If you want to use it, pay them. Or don't use it. Your choice. Simple as that.



My $0.02.



Zero One

USA









I already have the older version. What you're not grasping is someone wants to sell their copy to me. They recoup some of their expense, and I save a little money. A well designed software easily tracks the number of users and licensees.

snip A Driver's license is a totally different issue and not related
here. Go
buy MS and you can transfer the license /snip

That is not true. MS operating system retail licenses (not to be
confused with OEM licenses) require you to get an activation from MS,
usually over the Internet. This license is not transferable. It
enables you to move it from one PC to another but only by getting
another activation from MS, which they are not obligated to provide if
they feel you are abusing the license.

OEM licenses are not transferable, period!

2NO

Jim,



There is _NO WAY_ that they can be sure that the seller has removed it
completely from his system. The only true licensing schemes that work
are some _very_ onerous online licensing schemes, dongles, etc. that I
can assure you, you _really_ dont want to get into.... (read: Pain In
The Butt).



It is a good program, worth every penny. If you want to use it, pay
them. Or dont use it. Your choice. Simple as that.



My $0.02.



Zero One

USA










I already have the older version. What you're not grasping is someone
wants to sell their copy to me. They recoup some of their expense, and
I save a little money. A well designed software easily tracks the
number of users and licensees.





Jim,



This seems to me to be a non-issue. I very well grasp that someone
wants to sell you something that he does not have the right to sell. It
is just not right to do so.



Since you have an older version already, you can purchase an upgrade to
the latest version at a substantially reduced price.



Zero One

USA

Air tickets have the same restriction and always have (nothing to do
with security). They sell you and you only a ride on the plane.
Don't believe me - try selling one!

Mike

In the US, Microsoft sells OEM licenses for its products that are tied to a
single PC. If the PC catches fire, you can't use the license on a
replacement PC. If you want to be able to move the license from one
computer to another, you need to by an end user license which is more money.

If it is legal to limit the license to a single PC, why wouldn't it be legal
to limit it to a single user?

Mike Schumann

"Jim Vincent" wrote in message
. ..
Plus, is this legal in the US to have a person specific license? IIRC, it
breaches commerce and merchantability clauses.
"Jim Vincent" wrote in message
...
Why should I buy a new license when I can buy the license from a friend
at a reduced cost?

"Tuno" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does it matter? (What are you going to do, sue Naviter?!) Bend over,
grab your ankles and buy a new license. It's a wonderful product and
worth every penny.

2NO








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Maybe you are right; let's test it. Buy the stuff
and the key, put it on your PC, and report what you
have done to Microsoft. Game?

At 20:54 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:

'Nyal Williams' wrote in message
...
At 19:42 09 May 2007, Jim Vincent wrote:

'Nyal Williams' wrote in message
...
'Apparently you did not read the licensing agreement
for your Microsoft software; it has the same provisions.
You are supposed to erase it before you sell or give
away your computer. You did not buy the software;
you paid for the privilege of using it; you bought
the disc it came on, but you rented the software encoded
there.


This is fine with me...that is a standard EULA. As
part of the sale, he
would remove SeeYou from his PC. Since he did not
receive a physical disc
(it is a download), he would give me the license key
specific to one user.

A license is personal and not transferable; try to
borrow or buy someone else's driver's license. Read
your agreement with Microsoft; read his agreement
with
SeeYou.


A Driver's license is a totally different issue and
not related here. Go
buy MS and you can transfer the license.