most anti-aviation city in the nation

"Alan Petrillo" wrote

We haven't been living in America since GWB was appointed President.

Please add "POL: to the subject line of your post, when you throw in crap
like that.

Oh, by the way, I'm "SURE" that GWB really gives a **** what someone is
doing in podunk county, building an airplane. That is local politics,
plain and simple.
--
Jim in NC

(a) Flying craft and airboats shall not be parked or stored, other
than in completely enclosed buildings, on residentially-zoned property,
including residential PUD districts and properties with a residential
component in a mixed-use PUD district. Airboats may however, be parked
or stored in the water adjacent to, on docking facilities of, or in a
yard fronting a navigable waterbody of, a residential PUD district and
a property in the residential portion of a mixed-use PUD district.

(b) Repairing, testing, operation, constructing, modifying or altering
flying craft and airboats shall be prohibited in all residential
districts, including residential PUD districts and properties with a
residential component in a mixed-use PUD district.

If I were a lawyer (and I'm not...don't even play one on TV), I would
push the equal protection under the law ideas. First, take issue with
their definition of just what is "keeping with the nature of a
residential neighborhood". And then bring up the issue of people
changing their own car's oil or airfilter, or even painting a lawn chair.

Personally, I see this as a continued trend in the transformation of the
American public from citizens to consumers. (You're only allowed to do
it if they sell a kit for it at Home Depot.)


--
This is by far the hardest lesson about freedom. It goes against
instinct, and morality, to just sit back and watch people make
mistakes. We want to help them, which means control them and their
decisions, but in doing so we actually hurt them (and ourselves)."

You all are getting up in arms about a supposed slap in the face to
homebuilt aircraft. Truth be told, you could probably find a similar
statute about firearms, muscle cars, or ham radio antennas in a lot of
municipalities around the country.

Here's the blunt truth of it. The fellow that wrote that statute thought
(s)he was doing the right thing. That's right. Nobody in local elected
office does something because they are inherently evil. They saw what they
perceived as something the majority of the constituency wanted and wrote the
law accordingly.

The parallel to this is that the fellow that wrote it put his/her pants on
in the morning one leg at a time, just like you do. (S)he works and draws a
paycheck for his labor just like you do. (S)he was not born into political
office, but got there because (s)he perceived the guy that was there was not
listening to what the constituency wanted done and guess what? If (s)he got
elected, the guy was NOT doing what the constituency wanted or they would
have kept the other guy in office.

So don't bitch about "fighting city hall". If you don't like the way things
are being done, run for the office. One of two things will happen. You
will get elected and then YOU get the opportunity to listen to what your
neighbors want to have done. Or, you will lose, but that gives you the
chops for the next four years to call up the winner and remind them that you
got damn near as many votes as they did and this law they are writing is not
a good idea.

Remember Jefferson: "For democracy to fail it is only necessary that good
men do nothing."


Jim
Nevada County Supervisor (Commissioner), Retired
In 8 years rebuilt the airport, built a new jail, a new library, a new
sanitary landfill, and kept 25,000 voters reasonably happy.

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...
You all are getting up in arms about a supposed slap in the face to
homebuilt aircraft. Truth be told, you could probably find a similar
statute about firearms, muscle cars, or ham radio antennas in a lot of
municipalities around the country.

Here's the blunt truth of it. The fellow that wrote that statute thought
(s)he was doing the right thing. That's right. Nobody in local elected
office does something because they are inherently evil. They saw what
they perceived as something the majority of the constituency wanted and
wrote the law accordingly.

The parallel to this is that the fellow that wrote it put his/her pants on
in the morning one leg at a time, just like you do. (S)he works and draws
a paycheck for his labor just like you do. (S)he was not born into
political office, but got there because (s)he perceived the guy that was
there was not listening to what the constituency wanted done and guess
what? If (s)he got elected, the guy was NOT doing what the constituency
wanted or they would have kept the other guy in office.

So don't bitch about "fighting city hall". If you don't like the way
things are being done, run for the office. One of two things will happen.
You will get elected and then YOU get the opportunity to listen to what
your neighbors want to have done. Or, you will lose, but that gives you
the chops for the next four years to call up the winner and remind them
that you got damn near as many votes as they did and this law they are
writing is not a good idea.

Remember Jefferson: "For democracy to fail it is only necessary that good
men do nothing."


Jim
Nevada County Supervisor (Commissioner), Retired
In 8 years rebuilt the airport, built a new jail, a new library, a new
sanitary landfill, and kept 25,000 voters reasonably happy.


And to add to Jim's post: Attend the city council meetings and find out
what the real problem is/was. I'm betting that someone was bucking rivets
at 1 AM. All it would take is one neighbor bucking rivets at 1 AM for me to
try to get homebuilding declared at capital offense!

RST Engineering wrote:
You all are getting up in arms about a supposed slap in the face to
homebuilt aircraft. Truth be told, you could probably find a similar
statute about firearms, muscle cars, or ham radio antennas in a lot of
municipalities around the country.

Here's the blunt truth of it. The fellow that wrote that statute thought
(s)he was doing the right thing. That's right. Nobody in local elected
office does something because they are inherently evil. They saw what they
perceived as something the majority of the constituency wanted and wrote the
law accordingly.

The problem is that a lot of people go into poitics to satisfy a desire
(dare I say greed?) for money, power, or both. Their idea of a 'good
thing' often includes things that would be charitably described as
predatory.



So don't bitch about "fighting city hall". If you don't like the way things
are being done, run for the office.

Alternatively, speak out about those who are running.

...

Remember Jefferson: "For democracy to fail it is only necessary that good
men do nothing."


Hmm, just nitpicking here but that sounds too similar to a famous
"For the triumph of evil" saying attributed to someone else.

--

FF

Ernest Christley wrote:
And then bring up the issue of people
changing their own car's oil or airfilter, or even painting a lawn chair.

In several cities auto repair is prohibited unless done at a commercial
auto repair shop or wholly inside an enclosed garage. I had a
serpentine belt break once. I was able to pull into the parking lot of
a Kragen before it overheated, and I bought a new belt. I was
installing it in the parking lot when a cop car came past, and it cost
me a $56 ticket - and that was just installing a belt, with a spring
tightener - I didn't even need to take off a single bolt to replace it.

Richard

"Don W" wrote in message
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Sounds like someone needs to talk with their city
council to figure out what the real issues are and
try to reach a compromise such that everyone can
be happy. Getting ****ed off and ignoring your
neighbor's concerns doesn't work well.

If they were working in their closed garage and
not making a lot of noise, then no one would even
know what they were doing, and it would not be a
concern.

I read it as only prohibiting it, if the craft was an unenclosed garage.
No?
--
Jim in NC

I read the same thing Jim, but I have the question of:
greatav8or, how do you know all this information? Are you the person in
question?
Lou

"Lou" wrote in message
ups.com...
I read the same thing Jim, but I have the question of:
greatav8or, how do you know all this information? Are you the person in
question?

No I was not the guy in question. I was just trying to interpret the
legalese, and that is how it read to me.

I do not think that any city can regulate what you do behind CLOSED doors,
as long as it is not commercial in nature.

The other guy that had his insurance canceled has a hard lick, but there is
basis from the department of insurance and the fire marshal against
manufacturing and repair of aircraft without fire suppression. If he were
to install sprinklers and fire rated separation between his work area and
the rest of the house, he probably would not have a problem getting
insurance, but the premiums could be higher, based on the type of activity
going on in that higher risk environment.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Lou" wrote in message
ups.com...
I read the same thing Jim, but I have the question of:
greatav8or, how do you know all this information? Are you the person in
question?

No I was not the guy in question. I was just trying to interpret the
legalese, and that is how it read to me.

I do not think that any city can regulate what you do behind CLOSED doors,
as long as it is not commercial in nature.

The other guy that had his insurance canceled has a hard lick, but there
is
basis from the department of insurance and the fire marshal against
manufacturing and repair of aircraft without fire suppression. If he were
to install sprinklers and fire rated separation between his work area and
the rest of the house, he probably would not have a problem getting
insurance, but the premiums could be higher, based on the type of activity
going on in that higher risk environment.

Several cities (not to mention areas with covenants) have prohibited working
on cars in one's garage, even with the door closed.