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"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:E%oij.33853$Ux2.25986@attbi_s22... To steer this back to the earlier issue, science is an effort to understand the nature of things in order to provide working tools. Engineering takes those tools and creates those things that support our society and by extension our economy. So, a president that has no understanding of science, or worse, can't tell the difference between science and religion will only do further harm to this country than the current anti-intellectual and his faithful followers have done. Any candidate that claims that they can maintain anti-scientific beliefs (such as they're not being a primate), yet can turn the downward trend in this country around is simply lying to us. Well put. Good luck finding anyone amongst the current set of presidential candidates who passes this litmus test while also offering a workable political platform. My preliminary research shows that this candidate does not yet exist. Quite! They have even more troubles when ascertaining the origins of our secular republic. The two issues are heavily intertwined and have been for eons. http://ruleofreason.blogspot.com/200...-chestnuts.htm /quote At least two presidential candidates earnestly want to recapture the land in the name of God: Mike Huckabee, uncharismatic Baptist preacher, and Mitt Romney, practicing Mormon, who said he wishes to banish atheists from the country. Neither questions the morality of the secular application of his altruist creed in any fundamental way: the welfare state. The other presidential candidates bring God into their rhetoric only when they think it prudent. Each wishes to subdue the kind of atheist who does not believe in the mystical benefits of collectivism and involuntary servitude, to indenture him to them against his will for the sake of “giving back” to the national community, and thereby create a legacy for the candidate of being the “savior” of the “public good” and promoter of “social justice.” /end quote |
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"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton
"Marissa Reichert" wrote in message
... Was somebody counting? Besides, did he have them killed because of their religous beliefs or because they were a threat to his power? Oh my Jim, recent history is so easily forgotten or ignored by some. Here is a little refresher on Joe Stalin: Approximately 20 million people were killed by Stalin's reegime, including up to 14.5 million starved to death for political reasons. At least 1 million were executed for political "offences." At least 9.5 million more deported, exiled or imprisoned in work camps, with many of the estimated five million sent to the 'Gulag Archipelago' never returning alive. Other estimates place the number of deported at 28 million, including 18 million sent to the 'Gulag'. What a gentleman, thank goodness he was athiest. And as Jim pointed out, it was merely that those millions were an impediemnt to his power. Imagine how many people he could have killed (and so much worse!!) had he found a religion? Like the Borgia's? Or maybe Uncle Joe could have ordered that "Kill them all and let god sort them out". How about the 80 millions killed during the heyday of Christianity, the Dark and Middle ages. Why do you think they're called "Dark Ages" anyway? Dig a little bit: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ys4xw2 (Links to Amazon.com) so that you can speak with credibility. -- Matt Barrow Performance Homes, LLC. Cheyenne, WY |
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"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:18:13 -0700, "Matt W. Barrow"
wrote in : Mitt Romney, practicing Mormon, who said he wishes to banish atheists from the country. It sounds like Willard is a bigot. |
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"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:23:51 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote: "Roger (K8RI)" wrote in : "The Physical Basis of the Direction of Time" by H. D. Zeh http://www.amazon.com/Times-Arrow-Archimedes-Point- Directions/dp/01951 17980/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_a I still like "A Brief History of Time", but Hawking. I don't agree with much of it, but it is interesting reading nonetheless. Oh you should write to him and point out his errors then. You guys are all wrong. Douglass Addams hit it right with "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe". Well, Hawkings quoted Adams fairly often so he might even agree with you. Be sure to include your views on guns. Perhaps that will help him see the error of his ways. Every one that thinks like I do should be able to own as many as they want. Take 'em away from every one else. Same for universal govt and religion. :-)) And the vote. Amen! :-)) Roger Bertie |
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"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in
: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:23:51 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Roger (K8RI)" wrote in m: "The Physical Basis of the Direction of Time" by H. D. Zeh http://www.amazon.com/Times-Arrow-Archimedes-Point- Directions/dp/01951 17980/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_a I still like "A Brief History of Time", but Hawking. I don't agree with much of it, but it is interesting reading nonetheless. Oh you should write to him and point out his errors then. You guys are all wrong. Douglass Addams hit it right with "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe". Well, Hawkings quoted Adams fairly often so he might even agree with you. Be sure to include your views on guns. Perhaps that will help him see the error of his ways. Every one that thinks like I do should be able to own as many as they want. Take 'em away from every one else. Same for universal govt and religion. :-)) And the vote. Amen! :-)) One newspaper sub, one vote! Bertie |
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"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton
Marissa Reichert wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote: Was somebody counting? Besides, did he have them killed because of their religous beliefs or because they were a threat to his power? Oh my Jim, recent history is so easily forgotten or ignored by some. Here is a little refresher on Joe Stalin: [Stalin's atrocities elided for brevity...] No disagreement on that account of history. Nice diversion attempt with the motives for his unthinkable horror, but the discussion was about making the bible unwelcome, perhaps with the threat of law, because of all the "negatives." Thomas Borchert mentioned the "negatives" of biblical beliefs and appears to have already replied. My own view is that to the extent beliefs (or non-beliefs) are not imposed on others by force or otherwise infringe on the life and liberty of others, the government should stay out of people's lives. Stopping religion doesn't stop bad people. Agreed. In fact, attempting to stop religion would put you in fundamental agreement with Matthew Murray, who in December 2007 started shooting in a Denver church, slaughtering people in the name of athiesm because he proclaimed to hate religion. tinyurl.com/282qtx That was a tragedy. The fellow appeared to have mental health problems. While I'd like to see less superstition in the world, I happen to think that appeal to rationality is key to that goal; using force is a losing proposition. Since people change their views all the time without being threatened by force, I disagree that wanting to reduce religion and superstition in the world puts me in fundamental agreement with a nut case. Well that begs the question whether the Bible is a work of God or a work of men. "Begs the question??" How so? First my own (possibly erroneous) summary of the thread so far and an extension of my own brief come-back: Bertie: 'The Bible is a harmless set of fairytales.' Borchert: 'Belief in the Bible has caused more harm than good.' Gig: 'Don't blame God or a belief in God for people's actions.' Me: 'But Gig, we haven't established whether the Bible is a set of fairy tales or the Word of God. You've implicited established as a premise one of the propositions under question.' Implicitly putting one of the propostions to be proved or shown as one of the premises is a logical fallacy that also goes by the name "begging the question." There's more involved than that, but that's why I used "begs the question." |
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On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:01:15 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote: I thinnk so. Our Wx has been insane this winter. OTOH I have been getting very little x-wind practice in the las few years.. Come to Midland. Most days 18/36 and 06/24 do anything except line up with the winds at 3BS. Hurry though, were getting AWOS and the airport identifier is going to change. Roger (K8RI) Bertie |
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"socialist" when describing Hillary Clinton
"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in
: On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:01:15 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote: I thinnk so. Our Wx has been insane this winter. OTOH I have been getting very little x-wind practice in the las few years.. Come to Midland. Most days 18/36 and 06/24 do anything except line up with the winds at 3BS. Hurry though, were getting AWOS and the airport identifier is going to change. Roger (K8RI) What's the pavement strength like? Bertie |
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