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#61
November 9th 07, 01:58 PM
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When to descend II
"Bee" wrote in message ... You don't have to abide by MVA as the minimum altitude prior to the fix at which you clear me for a visual? Not once the approach clearance is issued. 
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#62
November 9th 07, 02:02 PM
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"Bee" wrote in message ... He probably meant NW. I don't think so. If he was northwest of ROYCE on the localizer the part of his question about heading for the numbers once the visual approach clearance is issued becomes moot.
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#63
November 9th 07, 02:02 PM
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"John Godwin" wrote in message ... Vectored, maybe but not navigating. Navigating. Think GPS.
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#64
November 9th 07, 02:10 PM
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"Bee" wrote in message ... If you were on vectors to the ILS, the final heading for intercept couldn't be greater than 330 coming from that direction. A 330 heading to join the localizer inbound would make an intercept angle of about 160 degrees. That'd be a cute one.
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#65
November 9th 07, 02:13 PM
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"Bee" wrote in message ... It was cross ROYCE at or above 2,000, *then* cleared for the visual. No it wasn't. It was, "Cessna '1GS,cross ROYCE at or above 2 thousand, cleared visual approach runwy 12R. Contact the tower on 118.7.", issue when the aircraft was four miles southwest of ROYCE.
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#66
November 9th 07, 02:16 PM
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"Bee" wrote in message ... Apparently so. Nonetheless, the visual approach was not authorized until *after* crossing ROYCE at or above 2,000. Incorrect. No such restriction was issued. The clearance was effective the instant it was issued. Or, it could have been to assure MVA until ROYCE. MVA is irrelevant once the visual approach clearance is issued.
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#67
November 9th 07, 02:16 PM
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When to descend II
"Bee" wrote in message ... But, the clearance for the visual was for a future point in space; i.e., ROYCE, which was still to be crossed. Incorrect.
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#68
November 9th 07, 02:18 PM
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"Bee" wrote in message ... What the OP stated, Approach says "Cessna '1GS,cross ROYCE at or above 2 thousand, cleared visual approach runwy 12R. Contact the tower on 118.7." I didn't say "future approach clearance." I said the present clearance did not make the visual applicable until a future point in space. And you're wrong each time you say it.
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#69
November 9th 07, 02:20 PM
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"Bee" wrote in message ... He was cleared to ROYCE with an altitude. Nothing on the OP's message required the aircraft to cross ROYCE.
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#70
November 9th 07, 02:23 PM
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"Bee" wrote in message ... Not until you reach ROYCE and the visual approach clearance becomes effective. The visual approach clearance was effective the instant it was issued.
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