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Old September 22nd 04, 03:32 PM
m alexander
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Default Cirrus Deploys Chute Safely

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/91...10080739c.html
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Old September 22nd 04, 04:12 PM
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"m alexander" wrote in message
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http://www.modbee.com/local/story/91...10080739c.html


Yet another Cirrus flying in coffin corner at high altitude in turbulence.
It seems to me that if airline pilots can be taught to do this without
falling out of the sky, then surely a Cirrus pilot can be taught the same,
or at least, like the rest of us, just stay out of there.


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Old September 22nd 04, 05:20 PM
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This sounds simillar to the Canadian story. Why can these guys not recover
from the spins if they are so high?


"m alexander" wrote in message
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http://www.modbee.com/local/story/91...10080739c.html



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Old September 22nd 04, 05:45 PM
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:12:30 -0700, "C J Campbell"
wrote:

Yet another Cirrus flying in coffin corner at high altitude in turbulence.
It seems to me that if airline pilots can be taught to do this without
falling out of the sky, then surely a Cirrus pilot can be taught the same,
or at least, like the rest of us, just stay out of there.


How can you discern that from the story? Nothing in the text says
that the airplane was at high altitude, only that it got into a spin
due to extreme turbulence. Did you have access to additional
information not given in the story that the posted URL gives you?

My question would be: why was the pilot flying the airplane in a
thunderstorm? Was he flying in clouds and encountered an embedded
stormcell?

Corky Scott
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Old September 23rd 04, 02:35 AM
C J Campbell
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"Dude" wrote in message
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This sounds simillar to the Canadian story. Why can these guys not

recover
from the spins if they are so high?


The Cirrus cannot recover from spins. Here is a quote from the SR22 manual:

Spins

The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or

certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and

demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus

Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section).

Because of this, if the aircraft “departs controlled flight,” the CAPS

must be deployed.

While the stall characteristics of the SR22 make accidental entry into a

spin extremely unlikely, it is possible. Spin entry can be avoided by

using good airmanship: coordinated use of controls in turns, proper

airspeed control following the recommendations of this Handbook, and

never abusing the flight controls with accelerated inputs when close to

the stall (see Stalls, Section 4).

If, at the stall, the controls are misapplied and abused accelerated

inputs are made to the elevator, rudder and/or ailerons, an abrupt wing

drop may be felt and a spiral or spin may be entered. In some cases it

may be difficult to determine if the aircraft has entered a spiral or the

beginning of a spin.

• WARNING •

In all cases, if the aircraft enters an unusual attitude from

which recovery is not expected before ground impact,

immediate deployment of the CAPS is required.

The minimum demonstrated altitude loss for a CAPS

deployment from a one-turn spin is 920 feet. Activation at

higher altitudes provides enhanced safety margins for

parachute recoveries. Do not waste time and altitude trying to

recover from a spiral/spin before activating CAPS.

Inadvertent Spin Entry

1. CAPS
.................................................. ...........................
...... Activate


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Old September 23rd 04, 02:36 AM
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"Corky Scott" wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:12:30 -0700, "C J Campbell"
wrote:

Yet another Cirrus flying in coffin corner at high altitude in

turbulence.
It seems to me that if airline pilots can be taught to do this without
falling out of the sky, then surely a Cirrus pilot can be taught the

same,
or at least, like the rest of us, just stay out of there.


How can you discern that from the story? Nothing in the text says
that the airplane was at high altitude, only that it got into a spin
due to extreme turbulence. Did you have access to additional
information not given in the story that the posted URL gives you?

My question would be: why was the pilot flying the airplane in a
thunderstorm? Was he flying in clouds and encountered an embedded
stormcell?


http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/du...or/9723097.htm


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Old September 23rd 04, 03:46 AM
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or

certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and

demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus

Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section).

Because of this, if the aircraft "departs controlled flight," the CAPS

must be deployed.


Sounds like legal-speak to me. I'm am willing to bet that Cirrus has spun
the hell out of that design with pleasing results.




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Old September 23rd 04, 04:26 AM
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In article [email protected]_s02,
"C.D.Damron" wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or

certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and

demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus

Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section).

Because of this, if the aircraft "departs controlled flight," the CAPS

must be deployed.


Sounds like legal-speak to me. I'm am willing to bet that Cirrus has spun
the hell out of that design with pleasing results.



That is apparently what cost Astronaut Gorden Fullerton his life, when
he was testflying a Cirrus.
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Old September 23rd 04, 05:41 AM
C J Campbell
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"C.D.Damron" wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s02...

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or

certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and

demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus

Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section).

Because of this, if the aircraft "departs controlled flight," the CAPS

must be deployed.


Sounds like legal-speak to me. I'm am willing to bet that Cirrus has

spun
the hell out of that design with pleasing results.


Actually, no pilot has ever reported recovering from a spin in a Cirrus. It
is not for lack of trying. There are numerous reports of Cirrus aircraft
crashing (or they would have crashed if CAPS had not been deployed) after
the pilots entered a spin, however.


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Old September 23rd 04, 01:21 PM
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Orval Fairbairn wrote

That is apparently what cost Astronaut Gorden Fullerton his life, when
he was testflying a Cirrus.


That will come as a surprise to him. :-) You're thinking of
Bob Overmyer, but he was killed in a VK-30, which was a completely
different airplane, a kit put out by Cirrus before they certificated
the SR series. Fullterton is still alive, BTW.

Dave 'program' Hyde



 




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