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Old September 21st 04, 08:43 PM
LJ & Nancy Blodgett
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what's the process to change the up weight on a Kitfox 7 to the Sport
weight of 1320#.Thanks LJ

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Old September 21st 04, 10:32 PM
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:43:59 -0700, LJ & Nancy Blodgett
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what's the process to change the up weight on a Kitfox 7 to the Sport
weight of 1320#.Thanks LJ


Enter a gross weight of 1320# on the form when you register it.


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Old September 22nd 04, 05:36 PM
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Unfortunately you cannot lower a Gross weight to meet Sport Plane Standards
once an aircraft has been certified at a higher gross weight. Has your plane
already been certified (not the same as registered).

Lyman
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Old September 22nd 04, 06:04 PM
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Thank Del. The plane is all ready registered at 1550#,I want to lower
it to 1320# for a sport plane.It is one of the 15 planes we built as a
group. Thanks for any help. LJ

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:43:59 -0700, LJ & Nancy Blodgett
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what's the process to change the up weight on a Kitfox 7 to the Sport
weight of 1320#.Thanks LJ



Enter a gross weight of 1320# on the form when you register it.


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Old September 22nd 04, 06:42 PM
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"Hatz Lyman C" wrote in message
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Unfortunately you cannot lower a Gross weight to meet Sport Plane
Standards
once an aircraft has been certified at a higher gross weight. Has your
plane
already been certified (not the same as registered).

Lyman


May I ask for your reference? Specifically for a reference that pertains to
an aircraft in the Experimental - Amateur Built category, not a production,
Type-Certificated design.

Rich S.


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Old September 22nd 04, 07:50 PM
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It has been fying and has about 80 hour now.It is registered.certified,I
don't understand.What would that intail(sp)? LJ

Hatz Lyman C wrote:

Unfortunately you cannot lower a Gross weight to meet Sport Plane Standards
once an aircraft has been certified at a higher gross weight. Has your plane
already been certified (not the same as registered).

Lyman


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Old September 22nd 04, 08:51 PM
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Here is my take that might work.

Ask that the listed gross weight is reduced. Why? because during the testing
phase, the plane didn't perform as expected. You felt unsafe at your tested
gross weight. For safety, please lower the gross weight to 1329.

Isn't the testing phase designed for checking out the plane's parameters so
it can be safely flown? If it isn't, why have a testing phase at all.

My Bellanca has a red line of 216 MPH. Why such a weird number? It is 90%
of the demonstrated test speed of 240 MPH. (240-24). For safety the CAA
dropped off 10%. You should be able to do the same from your testing
program.

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"LJ & Nancy Blodgett" wrote in message
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Todd,I don't know that it has been certified? It has been registered and
the 40 hours flowen off.If at all possible I would like to change the
weight,as the plane dose meet the Light Sport Plane in every way.

Todd Pattist wrote:

"Rich S." wrote:


Unfortunately you cannot lower a Gross weight to meet Sport Plane
Standards once an aircraft has been certified at a higher gross weight.

May I ask for your reference? Specifically for a reference that pertains

to
an aircraft in the Experimental - Amateur Built category, not a

production,
Type-Certificated design.



He's referring to the "since its original certification"
language below:

§1.1 General definitions.
* * * * *
Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a
helicopter or powered-lift that, since its original
certification, has continued to meet the following:
(1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than--
...
(ii) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) ...
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Old September 22nd 04, 09:24 PM
LJ & Nancy Blodgett
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Todd,I don't know that it has been certified? It has been registered and
the 40 hours flowen off.If at all possible I would like to change the
weight,as the plane dose meet the Light Sport Plane in every way.

Todd Pattist wrote:

"Rich S." wrote:


Unfortunately you cannot lower a Gross weight to meet Sport Plane
Standards once an aircraft has been certified at a higher gross weight.


May I ask for your reference? Specifically for a reference that pertains to
an aircraft in the Experimental - Amateur Built category, not a production,
Type-Certificated design.



He's referring to the "since its original certification"
language below:

§1.1 General definitions.
* * * * *
Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a
helicopter or powered-lift that, since its original
certification, has continued to meet the following:
(1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than––
...
(ii) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) ...
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Old September 22nd 04, 09:25 PM
Rich S.
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"Cy Galley" wrote in message
news:aJk4d.91311$D%[email protected]_s51...
Here is my take that might work.

Ask that the listed gross weight is reduced. Why? because during the
testing
phase, the plane didn't perform as expected. You felt unsafe at your
tested
gross weight. For safety, please lower the gross weight to 1329.

Isn't the testing phase designed for checking out the plane's parameters
so
it can be safely flown? If it isn't, why have a testing phase at all.

My Bellanca has a red line of 216 MPH. Why such a weird number? It is 90%
of the demonstrated test speed of 240 MPH. (240-24). For safety the CAA
dropped off 10%. You should be able to do the same from your testing
program.


Cy...........

I feel somewhat the same about the "specified" gross weight of an
Experimental - Amateur Built aircraft. I'm not even sure the gross weight is
recorded with the FAA. I'm sure that the other parameters are not, such as
stall spped, max speed (Vh), propeller type, cabin pressurization - even
retractable gear.

Then too, there is the proviso that one may make changes - even major
changes - to an airplane of this class.

I will agree that the new regs do say in order to be certified as a LSA, the
aircraft must have, since it's original certification, continued to meet the
limitations. But in this case, we are not alking about changing the
certification of the aircraft. We are simply trying to meet the intent of
this statement:

"Aircraft with a standard airworthiness certificate that meet above
specifications may be flown by sport pilots. However, that airworthiness
certification category will not be changed to a light-sport aircraft.
Holders of a sport pilot certificate may fly an aircraft with a standard
airworthiness certificate if it meets the definition of a light-sport
aircraft."

It is a small point perhaps and one that may be better left unquestioned. It
is my feeling that the particular wording was adopted at the behest of the
existing and hopeful LSA aircraft manufacturers in order to sell more new
airplanes. I have no basis for this opinion except an assumption of avarice.
Letting the people who stand to make a buck set the rules of the game
doesn't seem kosher.

I suppose there is always the option of abandoning the certification of an
airplane and then going through the process again with a lower gross on the
data plate. Oh, BTW I would ask for 1319# - not 1329" )

Rich S.


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Old September 23rd 04, 01:10 AM
Rich S.
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"LJ & Nancy Blodgett" wrote in message
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Who do I ask? I do think your on the right track.Sence I have the repair
permit and I can change any thing as lone as it's loged,wy not the gross
weight?The one's at the airport say,why not,but so far,no real answer.SO
who DO I ask. LJ


Unless the language of the rules is changed, there may currently be a
conflict between the Sport Pilot regulations and the regs affecting
Experimental/Amateur built. I don't know. It may be better to NOT ask.

Rich "Just my take on it" S.


 




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