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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... John wrote in : On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp? channel=busav& id=news/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or shutting down anyhow. Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough until you pulled the thrust lever back. Bertie Sounds like you, retarded and farting away. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... Tech Support wrote in : Just received the following from a long time very experienced pilot friend of mine. His comment about this one flight earned him a life time pay is a good one. Quote Great job by the Air Bus driver. As always, the media passed right on over what he did that marked him as a REAL pilot :-) After he went post impact and lost both fans, ATC gave him a clear corridor into Teterboro. He had scant seconds to make the decision and he made the right one. He looked at Teterboro, glanced at the altimeter, figured the angles and did the math. He decided in that nano second that he couldn't make Teterboro, and THAT decision made his entire salary for a lifetime career. The rest was just good flying. You can always count on the media to miss the main point Well, I thnk that decision got made for him! but yeah, it was all just stick and rudder from that point on and I'm sure the guy would be the first to say he just did what he had to. It'll be an interesting one to read about, but it's basically the same scenario as deadsticking any airplane. I think he'd also be the firts to point out that they were extraordinarily lucky. none of this Is meant to detract in any way from the guy's achievement, of course, but the media does talk so much BS with this sort of thing. .. Bertie You sound like Mx. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... Mxsmanic wrote in : Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. You're a moron Bertie Just like you. |
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New ****ing contest! yeah ! Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... Mxsmanic wrote in : Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. You're a moron Bertie Just like you. Bweawahwhahhw! Bertie |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... Tech Support wrote in : Just received the following from a long time very experienced pilot friend of mine. His comment about this one flight earned him a life time pay is a good one. Quote Great job by the Air Bus driver. As always, the media passed right on over what he did that marked him as a REAL pilot :-) After he went post impact and lost both fans, ATC gave him a clear corridor into Teterboro. He had scant seconds to make the decision and he made the right one. He looked at Teterboro, glanced at the altimeter, figured the angles and did the math. He decided in that nano second that he couldn't make Teterboro, and THAT decision made his entire salary for a lifetime career. The rest was just good flying. You can always count on the media to miss the main point Well, I thnk that decision got made for him! but yeah, it was all just stick and rudder from that point on and I'm sure the guy would be the first to say he just did what he had to. It'll be an interesting one to read about, but it's basically the same scenario as deadsticking any airplane. I think he'd also be the firts to point out that they were extraordinarily lucky. none of this Is meant to detract in any way from the guy's achievement, of course, but the media does talk so much BS with this sort of thing. .. Bertie You sound like Mx. To you, Im sure that; sthe case wannabe boi. Bertie |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354
@newsfe12.iad: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... John wrote in news:32b8ee0b-1587-4404-a9f3-e33d06d50c51 @u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com: On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp? channel=busav& id=news/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or shutting down anyhow. Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough until you pulled the thrust lever back. Bertie Sounds like you, retarded and farting away. Awww, maxie make a witty! Bertie |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Jan 16, 12:59*pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:
Tech Support wrote in message ... Witness also said gear was down. If true, was bad decision. Big John ************************************************** ************ I wonder if the gear was still down from take off, and they didn't have time or power to lift it. That statement is as idiodic as some things MX says...oh, wait, you have an "MX" in your sig, too. Go figure, two of the worst trolls have "MX" in their names. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
One of the things that helped him make that decision was that he had
hundreds, if not thousands of "dead stick landings" as a flight instructor, glider. Jim CFIG He had scant seconds to make the decision and he made the right one. He looked at Teterboro, glanced at the altimeter, figured the angles and did the math. He decided in that nano second that he couldn't make Teterboro, and THAT decision made his entire salary for a lifetime career. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
1 of the passengers said something about seeing birds flying by before
the landing. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Ricky" wrote in message ... On Jan 16, 12:59 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote: Tech Support wrote in message ... Witness also said gear was down. If true, was bad decision. Big John ************************************************** ************ I wonder if the gear was still down from take off, and they didn't have time or power to lift it. That statement is as idiodic as some things MX says...oh, wait, you have an "MX" in your sig, too. Go figure, two of the worst trolls have "MX" in their names. Oh really, and how do you figure that. Any idea what his altitude was when **** started happening? |
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