HUD view of a near-miss

wrote:

Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C.
Scott Wilson
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY

We recently had the safety officer from Sheppard AFB come to our EAA
meeting talking about the IR/VR low level routes and all the SUA around
the airbase. Then he showed several videos (including this clip). Scary
and one clip was a mid-air. I was once flying over Lake Texoma in North
Central Texas at 2500' ( ground elevation is ~ 750') and 3 C-130s went
UNDER me. That was interesting.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

I used to fly gliders out of Kelly Air Park, about halfway between
Colorado Springs and Denver. Good lift, up around 14,000', and it
wasn't unusual to see a C-130 or a B737 go by. Not a near miss, but
close enough to catch your attention.

When I got out of Air Force flight training I chose a slot to fly a
C-130 out of Langley AFB. The Powers That Be changed it to a C-121 out
of Korat, then an AC-119K out of Phan Rang.

The rest, as they say, is history. :)

--Walt


Ross Richardson wrote:
wrote:

Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C.
Scott Wilson
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY

We recently had the safety officer from Sheppard AFB come to our EAA
meeting talking about the IR/VR low level routes and all the SUA around
the airbase. Then he showed several videos (including this clip). Scary
and one clip was a mid-air. I was once flying over Lake Texoma in North
Central Texas at 2500' ( ground elevation is ~ 750') and 3 C-130s went
UNDER me. That was interesting.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

On 12/12/06 06:03, Ross Richardson wrote:
wrote:

Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C.
Scott Wilson
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY

We recently had the safety officer from Sheppard AFB come to our EAA
meeting talking about the IR/VR low level routes and all the SUA around
the airbase. Then he showed several videos (including this clip). Scary
and one clip was a mid-air. I was once flying over Lake Texoma in North
Central Texas at 2500' ( ground elevation is ~ 750') and 3 C-130s went
UNDER me. That was interesting.


Now *that* I would like to see a clip of! Wow! Must have been a fantastic
view.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

"Ross Richardson" wrote...

I was once flying over Lake Texoma in North Central Texas at 2500'
( ground elevation is ~ 750') and 3 C-130s went UNDER me. That was
interesting.

I was coasting in (south TX, late 70s) on a published low-level route where
it crossed another one. I was in an A-4 at 500' or so, and a B-52 passed
under me.

There also used to be a segment of another route in NV (early 90s) where 2
routes ran in opposite directions. They were supposed to be deconflicted by
the controlling agency, but it didn't always work. I was in an A-6 at 200'
and passed under 1 A-10 going the other way (really -- they weren't JUST
slow!) and abeam his wingman.

In rec.aviation.owning John Weiss wrote:

I was coasting in (south TX, late 70s) on a published low-level route where
it crossed another one. I was in an A-4 at 500' or so, and a B-52 passed
under me.

Since we are telling war stories here...

A friend of mine flew A-6s in several Red Flag exercises. He has several such near
miss stories. I think the best was when he was running along at about 500' agl
when he had a F-16 (F-15?) overtake him from below and then immediately pull up in
an immelmann turn in front of him.

During the de-briefing, the other pilot was asked about this maneuver and why he
did it. Basically, he was focused on what he was doing and never saw the A-6,
before, during, or after his turn.


--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

"Frank Stutzman" wrote...

A friend of mine flew A-6s in several Red Flag exercises. He has several
such near
miss stories. I think the best was when he was running along at about
500' agl
when he had a F-16 (F-15?) overtake him from below and then immediately
pull up in
an immelmann turn in front of him.

During the de-briefing, the other pilot was asked about this maneuver and
why he
did it. Basically, he was focused on what he was doing and never saw the
A-6,
before, during, or after his turn.

Fat chance! It sounds like a well-known "maneuver" known as "thumping"!

Also, I don't think I've ever seen anyone fly lower in exercises like that
than the Brits flying Buccaneers for the Oman AF (mid 80s). They would
regularly fly under our A-6s that were ingressing at 200' or less...

John Weiss wrote:
"Frank Stutzman" wrote...
A friend of mine flew A-6s in several Red Flag exercises. He has several
such near
miss stories. I think the best was when he was running along at about
500' agl
when he had a F-16 (F-15?) overtake him from below and then immediately
pull up in
an immelmann turn in front of him.

During the de-briefing, the other pilot was asked about this maneuver and
why he
did it. Basically, he was focused on what he was doing and never saw the
A-6,
before, during, or after his turn.

Fat chance! It sounds like a well-known "maneuver" known as "thumping"!

Also, I don't think I've ever seen anyone fly lower in exercises like that
than the Brits flying Buccaneers for the Oman AF (mid 80s). They would
regularly fly under our A-6s that were ingressing at 200' or less...



I'm sorry, I thought you knew . . .
50 feet is low level. Anything higher is
cruising-along-on-the-highway-on-a-Sunday-afternoon, aka asking to see
if Mr. FlAK is at home :-(

Ross Richardson wrote:
wrote:

Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C.
Scott Wilson
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY

We recently had the safety officer from Sheppard AFB come to our EAA
meeting talking about the IR/VR low level routes and all the SUA around
the airbase. Then he showed several videos (including this clip). Scary
and one clip was a mid-air. I was once flying over Lake Texoma in North
Central Texas at 2500' ( ground elevation is ~ 750') and 3 C-130s went
UNDER me. That was interesting.

While climbing out of KSOP, as I passed through about 1500 feet a
flight of three A-10's went under me -- I was about 5 miles outside the
Ft. Bragg restricted area at the time. I thought it was kinda
interesting that they didn't make any radio calls as they basically
blew through the traffic pattern of the airport. When I got on the
radio to warn other pilots they were coming through, THEN they made
radio calls.

xyzzy wrote:

Ross Richardson wrote:

wrote:


Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C.
Scott Wilson
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY

We recently had the safety officer from Sheppard AFB come to our EAA
meeting talking about the IR/VR low level routes and all the SUA around
the airbase. Then he showed several videos (including this clip). Scary
and one clip was a mid-air. I was once flying over Lake Texoma in North
Central Texas at 2500' ( ground elevation is ~ 750') and 3 C-130s went
UNDER me. That was interesting.


While climbing out of KSOP, as I passed through about 1500 feet a
flight of three A-10's went under me -- I was about 5 miles outside the
Ft. Bragg restricted area at the time. I thought it was kinda
interesting that they didn't make any radio calls as they basically
blew through the traffic pattern of the airport. When I got on the
radio to warn other pilots they were coming through, THEN they made
radio calls.


I noticed your user name and had to reply. I bet there are not too
many people know its origin.
Are you showing your age? (plugh)

Byron

scared us with:
Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C.
Scott Wilson
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY

I can't find anything about this in the NTSB database.
Would they not track this sort of incident?