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Don't really know what kind of music he expected to hear either Dudley,...I
can see it now The United States Air Force Thunderbirds performing to Britney Spears!!! Patrick student SPL aircraft structural mech "Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message hlink.net... "Chris Colohan" wrote in message ... The Thunderbird show seems to emphasize "look at how cool our planes are", and not "look at how skilled our pilots are".) You obviously know little about the Thunderbirds my friend :-) Dudley Henriques |
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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
hlink.net... "Chris Colohan" wrote in message ... The Thunderbird show seems to emphasize "look at how cool our planes are", and not "look at how skilled our pilots are".) You obviously know little about the Thunderbirds my friend :-) Dudley, Doubtful he knows anything about flying other than what he's seen in movies. |
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"W P Dixon" wrote in message ... Don't really know what kind of music he expected to hear either Dudley,...I can see it now The United States Air Force Thunderbirds performing to Britney Spears!!! I don't know about the Thunderbirds, but there was a guy in the base ops men's room at Nellis one afternoon with a magazine with some pictures of Spears in it, and from what we were hearing outside the stall (and laughing like hell while we were in there) ,he was "performing" really well!!! :-) DH |
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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net writes:
"Chris Colohan" wrote in message ... The Thunderbird show seems to emphasize "look at how cool our planes are", and not "look at how skilled our pilots are".) You obviously know little about the Thunderbirds my friend :-) That is true. All I know is what I saw in their show. Sadly, their show aimed purely to entertain, and not to teach me anything. I am sure that their pilots are extremely skilled. The show was impressive. What put me off was the musical soundtrack (which really didn't add much to the show), and the announcer repeatedly pronouncing that "the Thunderbird pilots are not especially skilled for the Air Force, what they are doing today is merely doing what every Air Force pilot is asked to do during their training." I would have been entertained a lot more if they perhaps told us more about what they were doing, and relayed the cockpit radios through the sound system. I wanted to learn about the planes, the pilots flying them, and what they were doing -- not about how happy the announcer was to be talking to us today, and what theme song was associated with each pass! Sure, I understand that this is a recruiting show. But do you really expect me to believe that the Air Force picks their _average_ pilots for their recruiting show team? (Perhaps they do, and save their best pilots for the important jobs overseas...) Chris -- Chris Colohan Email: PGP: finger Web: www.colohan.com Phone: (412)268-4751 |
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Dudley Henriques dhenriques@noware .net wrote: "Chris Colohan" wrote in message ... The Thunderbird show seems to emphasize "look at how cool our planes are", and not "look at how skilled our pilots are".) You obviously know little about the Thunderbirds my friend :-) To me, the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels fly an incredible and amazing routine that is positively boring. Standard Thunderbirds/Blue Angels routine: Diamond takes off, disappears into next county. Solos take off, do a 'dirty roll', disappear into next county. Diamond does a fly by and disappears into the next county. Solos show 'tactical surprise' by sneaking up behind the crowd and giving everyone hearing loss, and then disappear into the the next county. Diamond comes by and does a four point roll, disappears into next county. Solos do an opposing pass, disappear into next county. etc. They are great pilots, and what they do is hard, but unfortunately, it is also never changes, so once you've seen either team, you can head to the car and watch the show as you beat the traffic out of the airshow. The Snowbirds are a much more interesting jet team. Their jets are slower, so they have to come up with more things to do then just turning jet fuel into noise. With a nine plane formation, they can come up with some interesting things, like a Canadian goose. The late Ameila Reid had a routine in a Cessna 150 that got to maybe 500ft in altitude and used an area around 2500ft across. Not high speed or high horse power, but it was a great routine since it was right in front of you the entire time. John -- John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/ |
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"Chris Colohan" wrote in message .. . "Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net writes: "Chris Colohan" wrote in message ... The Thunderbird show seems to emphasize "look at how cool our planes are", and not "look at how skilled our pilots are".) You obviously know little about the Thunderbirds my friend :-) That is true. All I know is what I saw in their show. Sadly, their show aimed purely to entertain, and not to teach me anything. I am sure that their pilots are extremely skilled. The show was impressive. What put me off was the musical soundtrack (which really didn't add much to the show), and the announcer repeatedly pronouncing that "the Thunderbird pilots are not especially skilled for the Air Force, what they are doing today is merely doing what every Air Force pilot is asked to do during their training." I would have been entertained a lot more if they perhaps told us more about what they were doing, and relayed the cockpit radios through the sound system. I wanted to learn about the planes, the pilots flying them, and what they were doing -- not about how happy the announcer was to be talking to us today, and what theme song was associated with each pass! Sure, I understand that this is a recruiting show. But do you really expect me to believe that the Air Force picks their _average_ pilots for their recruiting show team? (Perhaps they do, and save their best pilots for the important jobs overseas...) It's true the format for the demonstration has been changed to reflect current market trends for the venue. Actually, the Thunderbird show is a living thing that is discussed and adjusted as conditions dictate. As for the pilots; the announcer was correct. The pilots picked for the Thunderbirds are taken directly from the pilot inventory of the Air Force. The ones chosen for consideration are asked to travel with the team as "selectee candidates". If chosen through this selection process, the selectee is broken into the Thunderbird regimen very slowly. It goes without saying that there are indeed requirements from a pilot that are unique to the Thunderbird mission, but most of these are simply a refining of abilities already in place and honed to execution within a closer tolerance. Basically, the ability to fly with the Thunderbirds is inherent in any trained fighter pilot with the min quals required by the team. The narrator was right in stating this to the crowd as he always does. I agree with you about the music. I don't like it for several reasons mostly involving the noise level attainable during the performance by the F16 both in and out of burner and this interface with the crowd. I have known several airshow demonstration pilots who used music to great effect however; Scotty McCray coming immediately to mind as a perfect example. The mission statement for the Thunderbirds is a complex one, and catering to known crowd preferences must be considered, The current mission profile for the team reflects this marketing and as far as I know, will be the team's mission format for the foreseeable future. Dudley Henriques |
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It sounds like he had more fun than Chris at the airshow then!!!
Patrick student SPL aircraft structural mech "Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message nk.net... "W P Dixon" wrote in message ... Don't really know what kind of music he expected to hear either Dudley,...I can see it now The United States Air Force Thunderbirds performing to Britney Spears!!! I don't know about the Thunderbirds, but there was a guy in the base ops men's room at Nellis one afternoon with a magazine with some pictures of Spears in it, and from what we were hearing outside the stall (and laughing like hell while we were in there) ,he was "performing" really well!!! :-) DH |
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"John Clear" wrote in message ... The Snowbirds are a much more interesting jet team. Their jets are slower, so they have to come up with more things to do then just turning jet fuel into noise. With a nine plane formation, they can come up with some interesting things, like a Canadian goose. I agree with you strangely enough about the Snows. I did an aerobatic eval as a guest of the team flying their #10 Tutor at the Reading Show in the US once and got to spend a lot of time with them. Their mission profile is different from ours in the states and they have much more latitude in the "crowd pleasing" department. Their choice of maneuvers reflect this and is directly attributable to their founder, Col O. B. Phillip, who laid out the way the team would perform. I like the Canadian approach. It was decided long ago that the main thrust of both the Thunderbird and Blue Angel demonstrations would reflect tactical maneuvering and not the showmanship type demonstration followed by the Snows. What you are seeing today in our team's demonstration format reflects about as far into the showmanship end of things as the military has been willing to go.......so far anyway :-))))) Dudley Henriques |
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The most entertaining in my book was Duane Cole in his clipped wing
T-craft. His maneuvers never involved a violent loss-of-control like a snap roll etc. He was old and had glasses etc. His act was the ultimate expression of the possible. We didn't have to listen to any music either........ |
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Hoover is my favorite. An "ultimate expression of the possible" is a
good way of describing it. nrp wrote: The most entertaining in my book was Duane Cole in his clipped wing T-craft. His maneuvers never involved a violent loss-of-control like a snap roll etc. He was old and had glasses etc. His act was the ultimate expression of the possible. We didn't have to listen to any music either........ |
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