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Old October 17th 07, 02:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval
Vince
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Henry J Cobb wrote:
Vince wrote:
David Lesher wrote:
Mike writes:

Osprey may get turret-mounted machine gun

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/

Posted : Thursday Oct 11, 2007 15:11:37 EDT

Air Force and Marine Corps V-22 Ospreys may get a
turret-mounted machine gun, fulfilling a long-sought
requirement for a forward-firing defensive weapon and making it
unique among today's U.S. transport aircraft.


Strange no one is discussing how much such weighs; in an airframe
already short of payload...


and balance

its a side to side prop-rotor configuration

hang a thousand pounds on the chin and see what happens


It's belly, not chin mounted.

-HJC Fact correcting Vince is endless fun.


You missed my point
you cant hang it on the chin, they tried and they found that out
it was the original concept even up to 2005.

Also under consideration is a redesign of the V-22’s nose to accommodate
a chin gun, Birkholz said. “It’s all do-able,” he said. “It’s just
expensive.”
http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o.../V-22_Aims.htm

it wasn't doable

you can hang it on the belly at the center of lift,
that is where they put the cargo hook
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...ng_M777_lg.jpg


nothing is free

Vince
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Old October 17th 07, 04:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval
Richard Casady
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:33:54 -0700, BradGuth
wrote:

Guns can include a 7.62mm Gatling gun, a .50-caliber machine
gun and more,


Don't they make [or at least have developed] a three barrel .50
Gatling that is not all that heavy. Decades ago the French had a 95
pound 20mm intended for use a door gun. It had about a six foot
barrel.

Casady
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Old October 17th 07, 04:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval
Dan[_2_]
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BradGuth wrote:
snip

There are multiple species of humans on Earth, with some way dumber
than others. Not all humans are Zion Yids, and not all smart Yids are
Third Reich. Go figure.
-
Brad Guth


So, how long have you been this afraid of Jews?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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Old October 17th 07, 04:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval
Giles Ayling
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Looking at the photo, they ahve alre\dy armed the Osprey with a lance - true
grass roots weaponry
"Vince" wrote in message
...
Henry J Cobb wrote:
Vince wrote:
David Lesher wrote:
Mike writes:

Osprey may get turret-mounted machine gun

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/

Posted : Thursday Oct 11, 2007 15:11:37 EDT

Air Force and Marine Corps V-22 Ospreys may get a turret-mounted
machine gun, fulfilling a long-sought requirement for a forward-firing
defensive weapon and making it
unique among today's U.S. transport aircraft.


Strange no one is discussing how much such weighs; in an airframe
already short of payload...


and balance

its a side to side prop-rotor configuration

hang a thousand pounds on the chin and see what happens


It's belly, not chin mounted.

-HJC Fact correcting Vince is endless fun.


You missed my point
you cant hang it on the chin, they tried and they found that out
it was the original concept even up to 2005.

Also under consideration is a redesign of the V-22’s nose to accommodate
a chin gun, Birkholz said. “It’s all do-able,” he said. “It’s just
expensive.”
http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o.../V-22_Aims.htm

it wasn't doable

you can hang it on the belly at the center of lift,
that is where they put the cargo hook
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...ng_M777_lg.jpg


nothing is free

Vince



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Old October 17th 07, 04:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval
Dan[_2_]
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:33:54 -0700, BradGuth
wrote:

Guns can include a 7.62mm Gatling gun, a .50-caliber machine
gun and more,


Don't they make [or at least have developed] a three barrel .50
Gatling that is not all that heavy. Decades ago the French had a 95
pound 20mm intended for use a door gun. It had about a six foot
barrel.

Casady


GE makes (made?) a 50 calibre gatling gun in 3 and 6 barrels.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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Old October 17th 07, 05:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval
Richard Casady
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:38:56 -0500, Dan wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:33:54 -0700, BradGuth
wrote:

Guns can include a 7.62mm Gatling gun, a .50-caliber machine
gun and more,


Don't they make [or at least have developed] a three barrel .50
Gatling that is not all that heavy. Decades ago the French had a 95
pound 20mm intended for use a door gun. It had about a six foot
barrel.

Casady


GE makes (made?) a 50 calibre gatling gun in 3 and 6 barrels.


The first USENET post I ever sent out was about a minigun, and I
couldn't find a word at the GE website. Go figure.

Casady
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Old October 17th 07, 05:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval
Dan[_2_]
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:38:56 -0500, Dan wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:33:54 -0700, BradGuth
wrote:

Guns can include a 7.62mm Gatling gun, a .50-caliber machine
gun and more,
Don't they make [or at least have developed] a three barrel .50
Gatling that is not all that heavy. Decades ago the French had a 95
pound 20mm intended for use a door gun. It had about a six foot
barrel.

Casady

GE makes (made?) a 50 calibre gatling gun in 3 and 6 barrels.


The first USENET post I ever sent out was about a minigun, and I
couldn't find a word at the GE website. Go figure.

Casady


GE, I wonder why.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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Old October 17th 07, 08:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval
Roger Conroy
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Dan wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:33:54 -0700, BradGuth
wrote:

Guns can include a 7.62mm Gatling gun, a .50-caliber machine
gun and more,


Don't they make [or at least have developed] a three barrel .50
Gatling that is not all that heavy. Decades ago the French had a 95
pound 20mm intended for use a door gun. It had about a six foot
barrel.

Casady


GE makes (made?) a 50 calibre gatling gun in 3 and 6 barrels.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Denel (South Africa) make 2 guns that could be suitable:
A 20x82mm based on the MG151 that weighs in at only 39kg
If more bang is required there's a 20x139mm F2 type gun weighing in at
79.5kg

Roger

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Old October 17th 07, 11:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval
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Trying to make a flying SUV into a fluky gunship seems like a bad idea.
It's hard enough flying the thing, so whos going to be playing with a gun?

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Old October 17th 07, 11:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,sci.military.naval
Tiger
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Who the hell do they think they have to fight off, Me-109s?





Good question.... I think its a comfort peice more than anything. It's
the job of gunships and AV8b's to clear the LZ prior to a V22 landing.

 




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