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What sort of UL/LSA do I want?
"yogi22" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 4:26 pm, Michael wrote: On Feb 25, 3:56 pm, Gig 601XL Builder wrote: Michael wrote: Now, having said that - I'm otherwise flexible. Powered parachute? Trike? Three axis? Gyroplane? Any of the above would work for me. Anyone have any suggestions? Michael http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_City_Challenger And how would I get it into my pole barn through the 18 ft doors with the 31.5 ft wingspan? Am I missing something? Do the wings fold? Michael If your "pole barn" is more than 31.5 ft long, I was thinking that you could use a special dolly (I saw the plans somewhere) and push her in sideways. Alas! according to one site I found, the Challenger's length is "20 FT. 0 IN." Oh Well, at least I tried. It just struck me that if the barn's width beyond the doors, is significantly greater than 20 feet, it WOULD be possible to maneuver her through the doors by going through on an angle. kk With a limitations of 1000 ft runway, a two place aircraft, and an 18.5 ft door - the dolly may still be a good idea. Light gauge tracks can made from steel angle the will track a deck of some sort as well. You see this done occasionally for helos. Just try not to let these limitations pull you away from a three axis fixed wing design. I would certainly spend some time on a trike, gyro or powered parachute before I invested in one. |
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On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Michael
wrote: this must be something that I can acquire for under $20K in good flying condition and with plenty of life left in it (not a project). Also no certified aircraft of any sort need apply - homebuilt or e-LSA Now, having said that - I'm otherwise flexible. Powered parachute? Trike? Three axis? Gyroplane? Any of the above would work for me. Anyone have any suggestions? Michael $20k? That ain't much these days. My guess is that you'll have to compromise on some of those goals. A powered parachute would keep you in budget and meet your hangaring requirements but you'd be flying solo. My first flight instructor, the one I got private with, made me promise never to fly a gyrocopter. So far I've kept that promise, but some of them are intriguing and may meet your criteria. |
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"Michael" wrote in message
... I have finally reached the point where I can reasonably acquire a purely-for-fun, low-and-slow kind of flying machine. It's not going to be my only one - I own a Twin Comanche that I use for travel. Thus I don't care how slow it is - I'm never going very far in it. I would like it to be two seats, to be something that can comfortably operate from a 1000 ft grass strip, and something with a relatively narrow wingspan or folding wings or some such - it will live in a pole barn, and the doors are not wide enough to accomodate anything more than about 18 ft. Also I have no intention of buying new or building - this must be something that I can acquire for under $20K in good flying condition and with plenty of life left in it (not a project). Also no certified aircraft of any sort need apply - homebuilt or e-LSA only. It also can't be something that requires a crew of any sort - it needs to be something I can easily pull out and launch myself. No balloons, no gliders. Also nothing foot launched - it's not so much the foot launching but the foot landing I can't take. Now, having said that - I'm otherwise flexible. Powered parachute? Trike? Three axis? Gyroplane? Any of the above would work for me. Anyone have any suggestions? Michael IIRC, The earliest Tailwinds had folding wings, and the Nesmith Cougar (which was essentially a rip-off of the Tailwind) may have retained the feature. There are a few other folding wing designs around, but I know even less about most of them; and the folding wing versions of the Glastar are *way* out of your stated price range. Peter |
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"Michael" wrote in message ... I have finally reached the point where I can reasonably acquire a purely-for-fun, low-and-slow kind of flying machine. It's not going to be my only one - I own a Twin Comanche that I use for travel. Thus I don't care how slow it is - I'm never going very far in it. I would like it to be two seats, to be something that can comfortably operate from a 1000 ft grass strip, and something with a relatively narrow wingspan or folding wings or some such - it will live in a pole barn, and the doors are not wide enough to accomodate anything more than about 18 ft. snip Now, having said that - I'm otherwise flexible. Powered parachute? Trike? Three axis? Gyroplane? Any of the above would work for me. Anyone have any suggestions? Michael I see the pole barn as your problem. You can find plenty of aircraft that fit your requirements if you eliminate the 18' span issue. Folding wings are no panacea. I know more than a few folks who own "folding wing aircraft" and most of 'em only use that feature a couple of times before finding a way to store their aircraft assembled. My guess is that you should take $1k of your budget and modify the pole barn, then spend the rest of it on a decent Chief, Taylorcraft, Kitfox, or reputable ultralight. KB |
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On Feb 26, 8:34*am, Michael wrote:
I don't care how slow it is - I'm never going very far in it. *I would like it to be two seats, to be something that can comfortably operate from a 1000 ft grass strip, and something with a relatively narrow wingspan or folding wings or some such - it will live in a pole barn, Kitfox. Folding wings (don't know how easy they fold, but I think all Kitfoxes do have folding). Tail dragger. You should be able to get a real nice example for around your price - http://www.barnstormers.com/ |
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On Feb 25, 7:00*pm, "Kyle Boatright" wrote:
I see the pole barn as your problem. *You can find plenty of aircraft that fit your requirements if you eliminate the 18' span issue. *Folding wings are no panacea. *I know more than a few folks who own "folding wing aircraft" and most of 'em only use that feature a couple of times before finding a way to store their aircraft assembled. My guess is that you should take $1k of your budget and modify the pole barn, then spend the rest of it on a decent Chief, Taylorcraft, Kitfox, or reputable ultralight. Well, first off I would not consider a Chief or Taylorcraft in any case. I will never even consider another certified airplane. If I could find something that would come close to matching the speed, range, cabin room, and overall performance of the Twinkie while retaining twin engine redundancy, the Twinkie would be gone in a minute. But that's another issue. If you believe a pole barn can be modified for $1K, I have one hell of a proposition for you. I'll pay you $5K to modify it to open 35 ft on the long side. My only requirements are that it be structurally sound (still insurable), still enclosed, and that one person can get it open and closed in under 5 minutes (each operation). Think it can be done? Michael |
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On Feb 25, 4:55*pm, xxx wrote:
My first flight instructor, the one I got private with, made me promise never to fly a gyrocopter. So far I've kept that promise, but some of them are intriguing and may meet your criteria. Your instructor doesn't know what he's missing Mike http://www.rotaryforum.com |
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I think a trike would suit your mission statement nicely. If you built
a trolley system as others suggested it would easily go through your door sideways with the wing open. |
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You're the Michael from the Houston TX area with the white and blue
TwinCo, right? If so, then if you'd change your mind about a project you might be interested in this Zenith CH-701 partially complete kit that's located in SugarLand, TX and advertised on Barnstormers right now http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_manag....php?ID=223635 It's claimed to be 90% done, which means it still has 90% left to go ;-) You could finish it the way you wish, and get your repairman's certificate for it in the process. Looks like it could easily be fitted with the folding wing option too since it's not yet fully assembled. http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/fwo.html Of course, you'll end up with much more than $20K in it by the time you're done, more like around $30-35K but it would be a neat plane to own, very good STOL specs, plus be able to haul a good sized useful load around and be very cheap on fuel burn, plus it would be a newly constructed plane too. Asking for 2 seats plus all the rest of your requirements is probably not going to happen in a small experimental with that price constraint, especially if you and your pax weigh more than 170 lbs each. |
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:34:14 -0800 (PST), Michael
wrote: ...I would like it to be two seats, to be something that can comfortably operate from a 1000 ft grass strip, and something with a relatively narrow wingspan or folding wings or some such... ...It also can't be something that requires a crew of any sort - it needs to be something I can easily pull out and launch myself. No balloons, no gliders. Also nothing foot launched - it's not so much the foot launching but the foot landing I can't take. Now, having said that - I'm otherwise flexible. Powered parachute? Trike? Three axis? Gyroplane? Any of the above would work for me. For 3 axis airplanes, the Kolbs are hard to beat if you want easy folding... mine takes about 20 minutes trailer to air, though I believe the new ones are even quicker. Powered parachutes (PPC) are OK of you just want to fly around straight and level, slowly... personally I find them kinda boring. Powered paragliders, OTOH... are close to the most fun I've ever had in the air... slower even than a PPC, but the handling is like a tiny sports car compared to the Mack truck of a PPC. Most PPG's are foot launched and single place, but there are PPG trikes too, and 2-place as well... the FAA considers a PPG trike to be a PPC. BTW, foot landing a PPG is pretty mellow, too. -Dana -- -- If replying by email, please make the obvious changes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If cars had followed the same developmental path as computers, a Rolls Royce would cost $100, get a million miles per gallon and explode once a year, killing everyone inside. |
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